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Israfil 
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 Posted: 14 July 2006 at 6:34pm |
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Angela, The problem with ignorance is that the concept of "We are all human beings" is non-existence, and that, religious fervor superceeds this evident truth. |
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Angel
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Posted: 14 July 2006 at 6:56pm |
And with that, religion causes war I agree with Patty. I also think lets get rid of the weapons, lets melt them |
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Duende
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Posted: 15 July 2006 at 12:45am |
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Israel, the second-class bully, having learnt its tactics from the Great
Master: the US, is simply putting an end to the rather long ceasefire we've had in the region since the last bout of tit-for-tat killings. (Bush grants Israel the same right to preemptive strike, calling it 'self defence'). If Israel is also willing to complete the extreme Christian Right Wing agenda of America's rulers, they will merrily get back to work killing Moslems, full time instead of the part-time they've been working on. Beirut, Lebanon and Syria, this is all deja vue for those of us whose TV news screens were filled with images of explosions and hellfire in exactly these places in the 1970s. It was not settled then, so the nerves and patience of all have finally reached breaking point. War solves nothing, never has and never will, but dialogue is a long way from the Israeli agenda since the democratically elected party in Palestine took over. The most sickening thing is the ineffectiveness of the European Union who still use words of appeasement rather than direct condemnation of Israel's actions. Since Bush and Co abdicated all responsibility for bringing peace in the region, nobody has stepped in to fill the vaccuum and the post should be filled by Europe- most notably, Spain. I am beginning to suspect the US wants nothing better than conflagration in the Middle East as a way to destroy Islam, which is already viewed with suspicion by most of the West (tolerated implies you are putting up with something you really would rather not- that's why it doesn't work for long) Because of the rise in extreme fundamentalist violence world wide (much of it prompted by US actions in Afghanistan/Iraq) non-Muslims are running out of tolerance towards Islam, watching them kill each other in sectarian violence in Iraq reinforces all their prejudices: "look guys, they're killing their own brothers!" and sets the stage for a world wide revolt AGAINST Islam. How can we preach peace when we don't practise it? |
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superme
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Posted: 15 July 2006 at 3:42am |
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Maybe they don't but I do. I really long to see the palestinian can live in peace as they want it to be in their own land. Although I am on the verge of giving up to see it but yes I do. How many times do the people hijack the palestian people aspiration to live freely in their own land. Some Palestinian group did the hijacking themselves, the Israelis have done that numerous times and others too for whatever the reasons. Yet the weak palestinians are living in their own land. |
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DavidC
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Posted: 15 July 2006 at 3:51am |
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This war is economics and politics not religion. But who is going to fight for economics and politics? Nobody, so everyone plays up this religious war concept.
Here it is. Iran needs to sell gas to Europe, but it costs too much to bottle and ship. So they need a pipeline. The US wants a pipeline across Gaza and the Mediterranian so we would have control. This is the only reason anybody even cares about Gaza. Russia wants a pipeline through Syria so they can control it. Nobody can build anything until the politics are settled, but Iran is running out of time and money. So Iran is forcing the issue in every way possible. It's not religion. Just gas pains. |
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Patty
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Posted: 15 July 2006 at 7:29am |
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"I am beginning to suspect the US wants nothing better than And you, Sir, would be absolutely wrong. But, hey, everyone hates the US anyway.....so believe what you will. Look at all the Muslims who live here in the states....I know MANY of them very, very well. They are treated like any other citizen here, probably in some case much better than an old-fashioned hag like myself! And also like my husband who is a native American....a Passamaquady Indian. But if it makes you feel better to believe this crap...have at it. I'm sick of ALL OF IT FROM EVERYONE. We speak of peace, and then turn around and SPREAD HATRED. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE HUMAN RACE??????????? Sorry, but the American people HATE the fact that our young men and women are fighting a thankless battle for the safety of the good Muslim people in the Middle East. We are very saddened to see all the dying...people such as yourself and many other Brits have the false impression we are somehow enjoying watching our own soldiers die...our people being beheaded and tortured. Are you NUTS???? Of course we hate this as much, or more, than you. IF we don't ALL get our heads on straight, stop hating each other, stop telling this lying crap on the internet sites, we are only going to continue our path to destruction. And right now, that just might be a good thing. Analyze away now. |
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Duende
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Posted: 15 July 2006 at 8:36am |
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Patty, I think you need a long cool drink
Just take some time to find out why everyone hates the US and you might begin to see a bit further than you seem to right now. If you're sick of it , then just go away. Or try and do something about it: the world sees George W Bush as the greatest threat to world peace right now, over and above Iran, Iraq or North Korea. Why? Write to your representative. Sign petitions to get your troops home. Support Ciny Sheehan and such like. Oh, and learn about the country you live in instead of just moaning about other nations reactions to it: By Jan Frel, AlterNet. Posted July 10, 2006. �A Nuremberg chief prosecutor says there is a case for trying Bush for the 'supreme crime against humanity, an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation.�� The extent to which American exceptionalism is embedded in the national psyche is awesome to behold. While the United States is a country like any other, its citizens no more special than any others on the planet, Americans still react with amazed surprise at the suggestion that their country could be held responsible for something as heinous as a war crime. From the massacre of more than 100,000 people in the Philippines to the first nuclear attack ever at Hiroshima to the unprovoked invasion of Baghdad, U.S.-sponsored violence doesn't feel as wrong and worthy of prosecution in internationally sanctioned criminal courts as the gory, bload-soaked atrocities of Congo, Darfur, Rwanda, and most certainly not the Nazis -- most certainly not. Howard Zinn recently described this as our "inability to think outside the boundaries of nationalism. We are penned in by the arrogant idea that this country is the center of the universe, exceptionally virtuous, admirable, superior." Most Americans firmly believe there is nothing the United States or its political leadership could possibly do that could equate to the crimes of Hitler's Third Reich. The Nazis are our "gold standard of evil," as author John Dolan once put it. But the truth is that we can, and we have -- most recently and significantly in Iraq. Perhaps no person on the planet is better equipped to identify and describe our crimes in Iraq than Benjamin Ferencz, a former chief prosecutor of the Nuremberg Trials who successfully convicted 22 Nazi officers for their work in orchestrating death squads that killed more than one million people in the famous Einsatzgruppen Case. "The United Nations charter has a provision which was agreed to by the United States, formulated by the United States in fact, after World War II. Its says that from now on, no nation can use armed force without the permission of the U.N. Security Council. They can use force in connection with self-defense, but a country can't use force in anticipation of self-defense. Regarding Iraq, the last Security Council resolution essentially said, 'Look, send the weapons inspectors out to Iraq, have them come back and tell us what they've found -- then we'll figure out what we're going to do. The U.S. was impatient, and decided to invade Iraq -- which was all pre-arranged of course. So, the United States went to war, in violation of the charter." As Ferencz put it, humanity isn't yet "civilized enough to prevent this type of illegal behavior." And Ferencz said that while he believes the United States is guilty of war crimes, "the international community is not sufficiently organized to prosecute such a case. � There is no court at the moment that is competent to try that crime." |
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Israfil
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Posted: 15 July 2006 at 5:06pm |
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There is no need to try to understand this issue, the reason people hate the United States are two fold: it's policies in the Middle East and It's support of Israel. mind you the Palestinians that lived in the State which is now Israel lived ther for centuries before the mass Exodus of european Jews in Europe after WW2. Millions of people displaced from their homes having to live in a small strip of land called the Gaza, some having to move to Lebanon. Yes, if that happened to me I'd be pissed too! I cannot fathom to understand the mindset of Palestinians who live in the filthy slums of the Gaza having to day in and day work to make ends meet. However no matter how the struggle gets hunger and poverty is no excuse for terrorism-enter Hezbollah. Hezbollah acts in independence of the Lebanese government. It was Hezbollah that captured the Israeli soldiers and used them as bargaining chips for Arab and lebanese prisoners. They lay in their beds and now they have to make it up. I'm sorry for the innocence that will/have been killed however its the people that have to excommunicate Hezbollah, not Israel and he United States. People here wonder why do I call Hezbollah "terrorist" number one they are not an official militarized group of the country and they act independently of the country. They have no diplomatic power except through physical means or through terrorism. Yes they may have been welcomed when israel ocupied Southern Lebanon, however they are still not apart of the government and their leader Nasrallah who made an open decleration of War will eat his own words if a missile doesn't get to him first. |
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