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Patty
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I have been doing a lot of thinking about peace, war, hatred, and death lately. Let me tell you it takes a lot of energy to ponder these issues. My feelings concern how these issues have always been handled, and mishandled, throughout the ages. First of all who handled these matters? It has always been the men in society who have had the power and control over the lives of the masses. Women were sometimes given a "token" place of presumed power, but not if her position ever really could impact the decision(s) of the men. And what have the men throughout history done for the betterment of the masses in regards to peace, compassion, equality, and justice? Not much from what I can see. Please understand this....I AM NOT, REPEAT NOT, A FEMINIST IN ANY SENSE OF THE WORD. In fact, I loathe those women. So don�t even go there. I am a rather old-fashioned, stay at home type these days, although I did work up until two years ago, out of necessity. I also learned volumes during those years about human nature. So, based on all that we see happening all over the world....and it has always happened, make no mistake about that....I believe it�s time women be given the opportunity to take control of the future of mankind. We certainly could do no worse than men have done! We are, afterall, natural caregivers, compassionate, we settle disputes within families repeatedly, manage the finances in many homes, and we have that loving, bonding nature toward people that men do not have. We don�t have those male hormones....you know the ones I mean....which cause us to want to fight and kill. We do just the opposite. We want to soothe, to heal, to protect, and to free the enslaved. If women could have control of the countries of this world, I honestly believe in a period of ten years, you would see no more fighting, wars, bigotry, hate, or discrimination of the other sex. I believe we women could enlist the aid of men for jobs other than war policies. We would need them to make many repairs, help greatly with the budgets of countries, keep writing great books and make some DECENT movies for entertainment. They would be needed as physicians, engineers, firemen, farmers, construction, and all the other trades in which they are now employed. BUT, they would no longer be needed in government positions involving war policies, because WE, as women working together in unity and solidarity, would have in 10 years eliminated all need for war policies. IF any man tried to break the peacefulness we have brought to this earth, he would be placed in prison for the rest of his natural life. So, yes, we would also still need men as correctional officers. I am not kidding here. The men, whom I dearly love by the way....I�m married to one, have had centuries to do this....and they have failed humanity miserably! Men from all countries have failed. Based on this undeniable evidence, I believe it�s time for all women to begin to work towards this goal....elect women whom you KNOW will be dedicated to the importance of peace for everyone here on earth. Women with outstanding communication skills. Once we get these ladies in the majority, we�ll clean up this mess once and for all. God's Peace to All! __________________ Patty Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for a friend Edited by Patty |
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StarComm
Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 180 |
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I wonder if you believe in that doctrine of "the great whore" described in Revelations (not that I believe in it) I mean let us think for a minute..."the woman" being the leader of the world....and an Alien comes along and takes her for a wife? Well the traumatizing doctrines of the bible about how Eve got Adam out of paradise can play a big role in christian leaders not allowing women to take over i would believe, unless ofcourse that doctrine has a certain "Expandable" quality to it which can be discarded after achieving some long term goal which might have been achieved already, atleast the fundamentalists would not agree with this at all...so there we are back to warfare hooohaa!
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foody
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@Patty
I wouldn't mind women ruling and men not, in one condition. Men give birth. Only fair. But for women to rule and give birth, it is best that no men exist ever period..let the women procrait with each other through science, with two eggs together to give a daughter...then there will be no and no need of men and women alone will rule and exist with full blown blessing lesbiasim...but if women rule and give birth then men is nothing more than a sperm donor..and if I was to have this job position then I would rather be a fertilizer of the earth..OR at least have the ability to give birth and if that is the case then I will become a woman..then it is best that there will be no more men period..then you can have your peace. You need to understand it from the point of men and from what you are saying, that is not the case. You are looking it from the point of view of women. Besides don't worry Patty..male human are heading for extinction anyways...so there shall be a big party of celeberation for women all over the world..the entire earth will be for them and they can have all the women and daughters their heart desires. And also Patty, don't worry about women ruling, we are working to reconstruct male anyways, look at school as a great example..unless boys are like girls they are not going to make it at school..so here is your chance to make men into women, change their brain structure...I am sure that will be the best. I knew it from my deebest heart that it is only the male that finds attraction to the opposite gender, the women in the other hand only finds attraction to her opposite sex if her opposite sex looks like 99.99% like a female. This earth is hell. Oh Patty, just a note. Women are heading for world domination anyways, and you know when that happens..there will be no need for boys. I say to anyone who reads it, ones women rule earth..abort every male child you can have your heart desires, and kill all boys if you can help it. You will be saving them. Examples of below when women rule, yet when men are ruling and we have the technology to replace women...we can't even think twice about it. We need their love, affection, motherhood, etc. But for men everything is reversed, been a man is hell then you get Patty asking to take the very single role that makes a man unique and special we have nothing. Like declawing a cat then throw the cat in a horde of angry dogs. Patty if women going to rule...and if I am alive, I am going to beg God to give Mercy of me and take my life and if that means I die at age 34, then be it. One final note Patty, one of the many signs of evil of minor signs of qiyamah is husband obeys his wife be close to his friends and his father is a stranger to him. You are not seeing it from the point of view of a male and if YOU SAY TO ME YOU ARE then you are lying because then this topic would not be opened. If I see it from the point of view of women all over and think hey wouldn't it be cool to have my own children, I can have all the male child I want and off with women...I would stop and think this is not good what if I was a women, I would feel bad, intimidated, etc and I would not open this discussion. Men will always have the end of the stick, even when it comes to his genetic make up.... My final conclusion I found your remark so offensive it is not even funny, I am a man and I have never hurt anyone physically or caused a murder of anyone, yes I argue but then if I don't argue wouldn't that make me inhuman. I bet you, Patty you fought and argued? So because I am a man and I argued I will be labled evil because of my gender. Why should I have the power depatched from me when because I am a man and been victimized for something I have never done because some other men out there have had the devil instilled on him. Besides, true islamic men wouldn't even think of killing or harming anyone, these murders and deathes that you see are from western men, most of the eastern men, arabic men, are fathers who are in the street crying so badly at his children's body. Most of the arabic men out there are dying and toiling and sacrificing and losing their lives early to sustain enough provision and wealth for his family, I found your remark so offensive Patty. So offensive. So offensive. So offensive. So offensive. So offensive. So offensive. So offensive!! Because of some minority group of men out there who make up most of the crimes the majority of men will be slaves of their women? NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER have I seen anything in the media about a man sacrificing for his family even though that happens every day, never do I see anywhere or talked about..men who put their wives over their heads with pride yet the wives stamp on the faces..yet we accept it because he is a man. Never have an oppressed men, have his children taking away from him because SHE IS the one who gave birth. But when a man says it came from me, we dismiss it by saying pffft, how hard was that from you? Men are the most oppressed sex actually but I am the only one who talks about it. There is actually a country in china where exactly what you want is happening in fact. You know what the men are? Nothing but sperm donors, he sits there pushed aside by women as they rule their country. EVEN FATHERHOOD is eliminated, the son stays with the mother and only through the mother's permission can the son see his father, the father stays with his mother and mother orders him around...OOH PATTY OHH PAATTY that is hell!!!! Oh Patty if women rule, PLEASE never have a son and if you do..KILL him! Seriously, kill him! You will save him. ------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Men redundant?by Philipp Wesche Originally published in Student, the University of Edinburgh Student Newspaper, approx. April 2004. Note: The printed version differs slightly. The year was 1997. The necessity of old-fashioned sex had already been eliminated by sperm banks, in vitro fertilisation and other fertility treatments. Paternity testing had played its part in social enlightenment. But the announcement of Dolly the cloned sheep in February of that year hinted at what feminists have long carried on their banners - the redundancy of men. Indeed, the aim in creating Dolly was the avoidance of sex and the resulting genetic diversity, with a possible view to maintaining pure female races of some livestock such as egg-laying chickens. Cloning avoids the formation of eggs and sperm, but in mammals, the genetic clock, so to speak, is only reset in egg and sperm production. Dolly showed ageing symptoms much beyond her years, and these genetic problems with cloning remain to be fully resolved. Meanwhile, in the last half year, two research publications have exposed methods for making egg cells and sperm-like cells from embryonic stem cells. One of the papers, published by a mixed group of researchers from biotech hotspot Massachusetts even demonstrates that the product of merging lab-made sperm and eggs sometimes begins to develop as an embryo. This was done in the mouse, a species genetically very similar to us. This could mean that within some five to ten years, it could become technologically possible for women whose embryonic stem cells have been collected to have their sperm produced and "father" children. Wombs, after all, are the one remaining limiting resource for reproduction, and the female sex have a monopoly on these (at least until functional artificial wombs can be made), the question begs asking what effect all this will have on society. What role will remain for us humble gentlemen? Let us disregard for a moment the fact that men are involved in society in many ways, as scientists, politicians, chefs, fathers and lovers, that would be difficult to instantly replace. I am sure mankind would continue if only men's social functions were missing. Reproductive biology, however, may be a different game entirely. Men can father more than a hundred children. History records many such cases. Women are much more limited in their reproduction. Nine months, one at a time. But when it comes to choosing fathers for their children, women show great scrutiny. Hence males are the exhibitioners of evolution. They show what the genes can really do, and women get to pick the best of the crowd. This may lead to faster elimination of bad genetic variants (caused by mutation) than is possible without men. The X chromosome with its reproduction-critical genes will be particularly well protected by this since men have only one X chromosome. Most mistakes, especially where portions of the chromosome are missing, will show. So the important function of men may be to show the quality or otherwise of their genes, and allow the female "shoppers" an informed choice. And, hands on hearts, ladies - what could be a better proof of genetic quality than sweet lovin' itself? Ladies and gentlemen, keep faith in your love! ---------------------------------------------------------- -------
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Patty
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Foody, you managed to take every single thing I said and twist it. I have never said anything about women marrying women...I don't believe in gay marriage. There is no conspiracy to "do away with men", just to allow women to have the opportunity for once during our time here on earth, to see the possibility of our gender perhaps doing something productive to end wars. I realize you are "going through" a difficult time regarding male/female relationships. This is not about that. This is about PEACE. And only peace. I want to see the world turn in the direction of peace and equality for ALL people. I try to see all people as a Child of God. Not just those of my own culture, race, gender, religion...but everyone I see as a child of God. My opinion is that since the beginning of time, men have controlled all that developed in regards to wars, weapons, fighting, etc. I am for giving women a chance to turn things around for the better. I stated in my very first paragraph that I am not, and never have been a feminist....that I adore men, and I love my husband dearly. I am just an old-fashioned, ordinary woman. I don't wear fancy clothes or makeup...I'm usually sitting around in jeans and an old blouse. I am not wealthy and I don't care about material things. I live very simply in a small cottage in the woods with my husband and our dog. Maybe I'm just a dreamer....but I believe there's a better way to achieve peace than the path we have taken for generation after generation. NO disrespect is meant to any men, so please don't feel that I am disrespecting you. This is only an opinion I have, and it goes along with my overwhelming desire for world peace. God be with you.... |
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Patty
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foody
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I undersand Patty but have you not realized that all the prohits out there who are the most peaceful of hearts, soul, and who seek nothing to but to unite humanity in a peaceful life in islamic way are MEN. That it is infact NOT men persay as in the gender itself that is culprit while not denying that for each human being there is a beast within them, an animal inclination I might add..but in truth men could have this qualifications if it was not so difficult to be given that apportunity. Patty do an observation with the boys at school who are nurturing, who are smart, who are capable of achieving peace and see what culture tells him of it, NO, you must be dumb, NO you must be violent, NO you must be this and that and when he follows that norm...he is pointed as an evil source of being. Patty we live in a very cruel world and if you look at the majority of hard working islamic civilian good men you would find what you are talking about are in there already in men as we speak. But they are so concentrated in surviving in this world to raise a family, to please their spouses, having a wife is not easy feat, working so hard to protect their families that they have nothing else to think about but that. Why can't women achieve what you are saying without having to take the role of men anyways? Aren't women right now inputting alot in the cummunity and society at hole, achieving peace at all without taking men's job. As much as your intention is good Patty, when you take away the very thing that distincts a man from a woman he feels useless he feels unwanted, he feels redundant...he feels what the point it is not fair..not only women have piower but they can produce, not only women are better at this and that..they would start to feel resentment, they would start to feel that God hates men and favours women, because god have blessed women with so much and gave men nothing..they would feel so bad things...Patty it is not easy. While you are intentions are good you would find that it would do more harm than good and the only way you can do what you want is to eliminate men all together. Practically speaking that is the only way you can achieve it..because if there is ONLY man left in a world of women who rule the world in an iron fist that man himself would feeeeel like this is what hell is composed of. You take the car from the man and you take his life.
World peace can be obtained right now united men and women together not one taking control of the other. You know very well THAT THESE SO CALLED men out there the politicians DOESN'T AND WILL NEVER represent the majorty of good men out here. The violence increase in men in society because of many factors, don't attack the abvious but look deep inside the source of the abvious. If you see a boy been disruptive in the house, causing a whole scene, etc, blah, blah instead of thinking, he is a devil boy, bah, I don't like him..look at his sister isn't she an angel...that will increase the resentment between the boy and his sister and increase his problem. But when you look at the root of the problem you will find the reason that boy is so disruptive, it is because his life is hell, his father is abusive or he doesn't have a daddy to discpline him well and civilize him well, his mother is drinking, etc, you will find that the only way that the boy can express his anger is throw this method. Boys are different than girls. When you find that problem and don't do anything about it, that boy will grow up to be a criminal, rapist or even a politician who will cause hovic to society, but if you take the boy's living and change it..you will find he will calmn down and become an angel himself to grow up to be a peaceful and even seeking peace civilian. That is an example Patty of what I am talking about, you need to findo ut the prfoblem. Edited by foody |
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Angel
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Is there any technical things that can be done to fix this thread.?
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Israfil
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Honestly, I'm sick of all this divisive talk about what sex is better at being a leader or what not......First off, we must realize how impartial we are to our sex therefore, we cannot make some objective view of truth. therefore in light of that a woman in a leadership role of the world may not be the best leader. This can easily be said about male leaders. Frankly, i don't care what sex my leader (My president I mean) is nor do I care what culture. What I do care is the intellectual capacity of my leader which is something George Bush lacks! The best leader is someone who serves the people to the best of his/her human capacity. The first obligation of any leader is to serve the local people who voted, that meaning the people of that country. Before a person can be a leader of the world the person must understand how to be a leader among the "paupers." all this talk about how bad men are (which I find offensive and demeaning to good men such as myself) and how worse the world is. Remember men aren't the only ones that live on this planet. There are other women here as well. Even if there aren't women in leadership roles there are women who play an important part in society. So if society fails, both men and women who contribute in that society fail as well. |
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Hey Patty,
Your idea is not a new one. I know of a Israeli-Palestinian women's organization whose philosophy is yours. Get the testosterone sabre rattling men out of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, replace them with women and you'd get a peace plan in a few months. I'm not going to say your idea is wrong, because honestly and I mean this, it might actually work if it somehow got implemented. But then an idea occured to me. In that issues of state-building, men have attained positions in government which have blared the bugles of war in almost every instance of human conflict. War is considered wrong but it builds nations. It creates superpowers, which dominate. So if you were to contruct societies with female leaders, invariably, a male leader would take the reigns of power somewhere else and try to take over the peace-loving female lead societies. Forcing these female societies to take on beligerent males in defence and counter-attacks. Then you're back to square one. Also, consider that power corrupts. Women haven't attained the power men have but if they did, would they behave differently from men? Probably not. Look at Margaret Thatcher and Queen Victoria. It's a sad thing in this world that the more God gives people, I find the more evil they do with it. Beauty, money, power, intelligence for the most part throughout human history has caused more misery than happiness. I gotta really stop writing such long posts. Edited by Megatron |
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