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AnnieTwo
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Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 when he was on the cross.
Matthew 27:46 About
the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama
sabachthani?"�which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Who is the father? Who is My God? I answered that one. Jesus is calling out to the Father. As a human God was Jesus' God. Annie |
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14If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 1 Peter 4
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Mishmish
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"As a human God was Jesus' God" So, Jesus wasn't God? |
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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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A note for everyone: Pslams 22 starts when David complains in great discouragement. This great discouragement is shown in 22:1-9 and after that David prays in great Distress. This great distress is shown in 22:10-22. Then comes Gratitude to God and this is shown in 22:23-32. From Annie: "Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 when he was on the cross." He was not quoting Psalm 22 at all and he did not have the Psalm or David in his mind. It was the excruciating pain and torture that was killing him and he felt as if God had abandoned him. He wanted to be saved but there was no sign of help from God. He felt let down by God and uttered that in sadness, despair and desperation, which is shown by the gospel writers. It was a human cry calling Almighty God for help and rescue.
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Patty
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Jesus is one of the three entities of the triune Godhead, as has been explained numerous times here. Jesus cried out on the cross in his human form....as any human would have done in similar circumstances. And Jesus' death on the cross was MUCH MORE than just a physical death. Jesus was forsaken on the cross because God in His nuclear reactor of holiness could not bear to look upon the sin that Jesus had taken into His flesh. In some mysterious way, without destroying the unity of the Trinity, at that moment a chasm occurred in the very nature of God as He found a way to do the unthinkable and deal with sin that simply could not exist within His nature. Some would say "But where is the love of God?" I would reply it is precisely because of the love of God that He hates the cancer of sin so much. Sin destroys all that God made to be so precious. In fact, the Bible is clear that the most loving act ever committed was the death of Jesus for us.
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Mishmish
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How could he be deserted by his God if he was God? If Jesus was God, incarnate, then who was HIS God?
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Patty
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I am so sorry, Mishmish, you are unable to grasp the concept of the Holy Trinity, and I am doing such a poor job of trying to explain it to you. The only way I can say it is that there are three different, and completely separate, "entities" who make up the Triune Godhead. God "separated" himself from Jesus as Jesus was dying on the cross, because Jesus took on the sins of the world, the sins of every human being, upon himself....something God could not do. Jesus took our sins and descended into the "under world" or Hell. God is the Father, He is Jesus' Heavenly Father. Yet, these three entities, the Holy Spirit included when speaking of the Trinity, form the Triune Godhead. You have to understand the Trinity to understand anything else in Christianity. It is a difficult concept to understand if you are not receptive to the many mysteries of God. (I hope I haven't confused you even more.) God's Peace. |
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AnnieTwo
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No. Try to think of it this way, Mishmish. God tabernacled in the Temple. In the same way, God tabernacled in the human body of Jesus. The God Christians worship is the God who tabernacled in the Temple and in the human body of Messiah Jesus. The Jews worshipped the God who tabernacled in the Temple. It is the same God. Jesus said that something greater than Solomon, something greater than Noah, something greater than the Temple is here. What is greater than the Temple, but God Himself? Annie Edited by AnnieTwo |
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14If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 1 Peter 4
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AnnieTwo
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You are wrong. |
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14If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. 1 Peter 4
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