Satan’s Great Manipulation of Christians

bmzsp wrote: I beg to differ, Aquinian. You wrote: ""Matthew 5:38 "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[g] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person."" Jesus himself is found in the NT, resisting all the evil persons through out his ministry. From you:"Through his death, Christ becomes the paschal sacrifice, nullifying the former need for the passover rituals of sacrificing the unblemished lamb.  He "takes away" the need to perform the passover." That is not what Jesus taught or did. Paul, who was not taught by any disciples and claims to have learnt all direct from Jesus in his own visions, did carry out the purification and sacrifices according to the Old Law. It is right here in ACTS 21:17 Paul's Arrival at Jerusalem: Please read the entire 21:1 to 21:26 and mark this one: 26The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.  All this after Jesus had gone? The Law stands. You see James and the elders got him to carry out the sacrifcial offering which Paul  did willingly without any excuse. It also means Jesus never told him to stop offerings. I don't know how this glaring proof was left in ACTS! No one can take it out now!

The quote I offer from Matthew refers to Jesus' "turn the other cheek" message.  He was saying that you should not resist evil done to you by acting recriprocally; that is, when someone hits you, you do good to them instead of hitting them.

That flies in the face of hitting them back when they hit you, which is what Exodus tells us.  Therefore, Jesus did establish a new law separate from that of the Jews.

As for the passover, though the apostles and others may have still practiced their Jewish traditions, it is well understood in most christian theological circles that Jesus established a new tradition for a new church.  This is why he chose the passover for the Last Supper.  This is why he says "Do this in memory of me."  During one of the most important jewish traditions commanded by God, Christ says to remember him when we celebrate the eucharist.  He takes precedence over the passover.

I have trouble understanding why Muslims can accept anything Jesus says because, through his own words, he blasphemes teachings of Allah.  Rather than commemorate the passover with respect, Jesus turns all of the focus onto himself and his sacrifice.

 Luke 22:14

When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15And he said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God."

 17After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, "Take this and divide it among you. 18For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."

 19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."

 20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you."

bmzp, this is irrefutable.  Christ made a new covenant in his blood.  The passover was a part of the old covenant.  The last supper establishes a new covenant with new laws written by Christ himself.

DavidC, sorry for being so argumentative.  I tend to stress the differences often and the similarities rarely.

Excellent, Suzanne.

I know that Catholics do not worship that statue of Jesus. But the questions you raised are absolutely correct. In a place, where God is being worshipped, there should not be any image or any graven image or a sculpture.

Hanging up Jesus on Cross before the eyes of all worshippers, may indicate worship of Jesus. I have always wondered who really is in the mind of Christians when they worship in the Church, Jesus or God Almighty?

When we pray and offer Salaat, only God Almighty is in our mind which shows what Jesus really wanted people to do, that is, constant devotion to God Almighty only and to worship and love God Almighty with all heart, all mind and all soul.

No one can serve two masters with the same amount of love and affection.

Could you please tell me from your own past experience, Suzzane? Who was it at that time when you were a Catholic Christian? God Almighty or Jesus? An answer would be highly appreciated.  I am going to ask this question in the 17th Storey study class.

Thanks for the insight & Best Regards

Salaam Alaikum

BMZ 

Oh, I wanted to mention something else or again just talk about it more. The three things I listed in my first post when I was taking about the three ways that Satan helps to devert from the truth was what Salman had listed:

He manipulated them with regards to Allah, the Exalted and Most High.
He manipulated them with regards to Jesus (peace be upon him).
He manipulated them with regards to the cross and the worship of it.

Satan is not what is always shown as a cartoon or in moves....example:Red with horns and a long tail with a cape and pitch fork. Satan comes to us with our eyes,ears, thoughts, actions. How is that on the lines of someone who is Islamiphobic Christian? I am guessing you read and was along the lines of ...I am going to wing it just stay with me,,,, or try to anyways here goes ..."Satan, how obsurd I worship the 1 and only GOD how is Satan this and that"

When someone is praying to GOD the almighty and is thinking what they believe Jesus pbuh looks like....is in essance a form of worshiping and idol. It is okay to those who do this because it is all in a way of good and truth...praying etc...Right?

No ,it is not in a good way. Satan makes those ones feel that it is okay because Jesus pbuh was a Prophet of GOD and thinking of him is okay. Even though they  don't know what he looks like. It is still okay to them. Not a form of worshiping an image? The thoughts are from Satan, that is what I meant. 

Good night all