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AnnieTwo
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BMZ, <>Meaning of Typology: A type is a representation by one thing of another. Adam was a type of Christ and so was Isaac. Annie |
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AbRah2006
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AnnieTwo claims that the Trinity is mentioned in
My response: I have checked the verses above and I find that they have nothing to do with the Trinity. For example: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Job 33:4 The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. Amose 4:10 I have sent among you the pestilence after the manner of Egypt: your young men have I slain with the sword, and have taken away your horses; and I have made the stink of your camps to come up unto your nostrils: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD. 4:11 I have overthrown some of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD. Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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AbRah2006
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AnnieTwo's statement: Nevertheless, following is a chart that exemplifies many of the themes that were revealed in the Old Testament and fulfilled in the New. It is easy to see that there is no need at all for the Christians to borrow from any source outside the Old Testament. ------------------------------------------------------------ -- My response: Christians claim that what is unique in the case of Jesus, is that he is the only begotten Son of God, while the others are merely �sons of God�. However, God is recorded as saying to Prophet David, in Psalms 2:7, �I will tell the decree of the Lord: He said to me, �You are my son, today I have begotten you.� � The Bible itself calls Jesus the son of man so many times throughout the Bible to prove that Jesus is a human being and Jesus is not the son of God. Furthermore, verses like John 3:2, John 6:14, John 7:40, Matthew 21:11, Luke 7:16 and 24:19 confirm that Jesus accepted the title of teacher, Prophet and called himself the son of man in Matthew 8:20, 12:40, 17:9 & 12, 26:24, Luke 9:26, 22:48, 22:69, and 24:7. The most conclusive verse that says Jesus is the son (servant) of man is Mark 14:26 where Jesus is mentioning the Day of Reckoning. Jesus specifically said we would see the son of man, not the Son of God, sitting in the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Since the Hebrews believed that God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense, it is obvious that the expression �son of God� merely meant to them �Servant of God�; one who, because of his faithful service, was close and dear to God, as a son is to a father. Consequently, the use of the term �son of God� should only be understood from the Semitic symbolic sense of a �servant of God�, and not in the pagan sense of a literal offspring of God. In the four Gospels, Jesus is recorded as saying: �Blessed are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.�(Matthew 5:9) Qur�an clarifies that Jesus� virgin birth did not change the state of his humanity �Surely, the example of Jesus, in Allah�s sight, is like that of Adam. He created him from dust and said: �Be!� and he was.� (Qur�an, 3:59). The act of begetting is a physical act and such act is against God�s nature. The Qur�an 19:35 says: "It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be," and it is." (Maryam 19:35) Therefore God has no sons for God is One and Only: Moses says "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." (Deuteronomy 6:4) , Jesus says "...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord." (Mark 12:29) and the prophet Muhammad says "And your God is One God: There is no God but He, ..." (The Qur'an 2:163) Edited by AbRah2006 |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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AbRah2006,
You said: The act of begetting is a physical act and such act is against God�s nature. The Qur�an 19:35 says: "It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be," and it is." (Maryam 19:35) Therefore God has no sons for God is One and OnlyGod doesn't have sons in the literal sense. Jesus is not God's son in the literal sense. I agree with the Surah above. The article I posted was to show where some of the Christian beliefs come from for Cyril who has a problem with links. I will not discuss anything in the article. |
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Annie, This is progress: "Yes, Paul used the word "man." Jesus was a man. Is this news to you?" Good! Shall we then leave Jesus as no more than a man? No, it was never a news to me for I knew Jesus was always a man. |
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My response: Yes we Muslims know that Jesus is a man and he is a great prophet of Allah. Jesus is neither God nor the son of God according to the Holy Quran! I am glad to know that AnnieTwo admits that God has no sons! Thank you AnnieTwo and I appreciate this statement. May Allah the All Merciful God guides you to His true path...Ameen. Edited by AbRah2006 |
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Former Christian Priests and Missionaries who have Embraced Islam: Abdullah al-Faruq Formerly Kenneth L. Jenkins, minister and elder of the Pentecostal Church says: 1) "Not a single one could explain how Jesus was supposedly God, and how, at the same time, he was supposedly the Father, Son and Holy Ghost wrapped up into one and yet was not a part of the trinity. Several preachers finally had to concede that they did not understand it but that we were simply required to believe it." 2)"Cases of adultery and fornication went unpunished. Some Christian preachers were hooked on drugs and had destroyed their lives and the lives of their families. Leaders of some churches were found to be homosexuals. There were pastors even guilty of committing adultery with the young daughters of other church members. All of this coupled with a failure to receive answers to what I thought were valid questions was enough to make me seek a change. That change came when I accepted a job in the 3) "I was then given a video cassette of a debate between Shaykh Ahmed Deedat and Reverend Jimmy Swaggart. After seeing the debate I immediately became a Muslim." (To view this debate click here � requires RealPlayer). It is an interesting debate! 4) "I was taken to the office of Shaykh 'Abdullah bin 'Abdul-'Azeez bin Baz to officially declare my acceptance of Islam." 5) "It is my prayer that Allah will forgive us all of our ignorance and guide us to the path leading to
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