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Andalus 
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 Topic: Jesus is God (or not)Posted: 08 May 2010 at 7:45pm |
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 Look, I feel for your position but this is really getting hard into violation of rule 10! Some of these threads are going round and around and I believe they are limiting growth. Everyone, including you, are welcome to start new threads concerning topics that you felt were not covered fully in these threads. I am just trying to stiimulate more discussion, and not hinder it. As I said,I invite people to open new threads.
Hmmmm. You have replies u have not posted......thats a tuff one and I feel for you. Really. Would it help you to know that I have had the same heartbreak? Replies I have never posted...sad but true. So I really do feel for you and understand. But what more can you say that has not been said yet? Could you just open up a related thread? You have to admit that the forum needs to be cleaned up a bit. I am trying to spend more time here than I have in the past. Some of the participants are having to wait way too long to see their contibutions approved.
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Angel
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Posted: 08 May 2010 at 5:09am |
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Andalus, NO, PLEASE!!!
It just means that I have to make another thread when I get back here, that's not fair because EVERYTHING is here, all my hard work! I don't want to repeat and copy things in another thread!
 I do plan to get back here, its just not at this moment. I even got replies to some posts here that i haven't put forth yet.Edited by Angel - 08 May 2010 at 5:16am |
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Andalus
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Posted: 07 May 2010 at 8:24pm |
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/ http://www.pt-go.com/ |
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honeto
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Posted: 03 May 2010 at 3:35pm |
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Welcome and hello Matt,
I see that your concept of God is not abstract at all, it is very much in line with Islamic understanding of God. I think its OK to talk about how you see God vs how others see it. What is not OK is that some people tend to push their version down the throat of others even when they are proven wrong from their very source. I believe God is behind all creation: from a tiny fly that we cannot comprehend completely to complex stars and galaxies. When someone tries to degrade the Creator by equating Him to one of His creations, it not only offends the Creator but those of us who know and understand that He is above all of that, i.e. a man, an elephant or a monkey or any other of His creation. Jesus being a prophet of God is a great thing, Jesus was chosen for this job by God because the Children of Israel were rebellious against God. So it is exciting that he was chosen to lead them out of error, so they can have a chance toward right guidance. I agree that Jesus was to preach love beside other things, even though he is quoted in the Bible to hate. Those who don't mean harm to us, should be treated with love, respect and best response. God is Just and asks us to be just as well, and it is only when someone means to harm you or the truth that you are to defend yourself, and the truth. The earth is a place of trials and tests I believe. And there is the next life, which will be based on how we did in this one, the All Knowing being the Judge. Our efforts should be to establish Justice and help in that cause on a personal level, the level we will be Judged upon. Because, it is only through Justice that the true peace is achieved at the end. Thanks again for your input. Hasan Edited by honeto - 03 May 2010 at 3:44pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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JOUBERAR
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Since the Bible indicates that angels are asexual beings, it makes sense that they could not be the "sons of God" who produced children with the "daughters of men." The best interpretation is that the "sons of God" were men who were descended from Seth, who followed the Lord for a time (in contrast to the line of Cain, which produced the "daughters of men"). However, right before the flood, even the "sons of God" took wives among the line of Cain, and, therefore, became corrupted themselves through their unbelieving wives. This is one of the reasons God determined to destroy the entire human race, except for the eight people who still followed the Lord (Noah and his extended family).
The sons of GOD could as well be interpreted as children of God which represent the children of Isreal as you see in the diff bible translations.
On that day some Sadducees (who say there is no resurrection) came to Him and questioned Him, saying, "Teacher, Moses said, 'IF A MAN DIES, HAVING NO CHILDREN, HIS BROTHER AS NEXT OF KIN SHALL MARRY HIS WIFE, AND RAISE UP AN OFFSPRING TO HIS BROTHER.' "Now there were seven brothers with us; and the first married and died, and having no offspring left his wife to his brother; so also the second, and the third, down to the seventh. "And last of all, the woman died. "In the resurrection therefore whose wife of the seven shall she be? For they all had her." But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures, or the power of God. "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Job 1:6 And there was a day when the sons of the gods came together before the Lord, and the Satan came with them.Job 1:6 And vpon a day when the children of God came and stoode before the lord, Satan came also among them.
Job 1:6 One day, when the angels had gathered around the LORD, and Satan was there with themJob 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.Edited by JOUBERAR - 03 May 2010 at 8:20am |
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Matt Browne
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Posted: 01 May 2010 at 6:57am |
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My concept of God is a very abstract one. I believe God is the creator of our universe's natural laws. Because of these laws we do have stars that shine and planets with all the chemical ingredients for life to evolve into something beautiful and intelligent. Jesus being the son of God has a symbolic meaning, not a biological one. Therefore to me it's perfectly fine to see him as a prophet as well. There's no need to get too excited about this. Jesus was a human being and he had wonderful messages for us. One of the most important one is not to hate other people. We make ourselves very unhappy when we hate other people. This reminder might save us from living a miserable life. Muhammad had a very similar message. If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for
He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things.
The exact meaning of son of God cannot be used as an excuse not to seek peace between all people on planet Earth in my opinion. |
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A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
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Mansoor_ali
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Posted: 01 May 2010 at 5:49am |
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To JOUIBERAR Taken from If Jesus is called the Son of God, do you think that makes him God? THE MEANING OF THE SON OF GOD Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son%5Fof%5FGod In the Tanakh
In the Tanakh,
the phrase "sons of god" has multiple meanings:
In the Tanakh the
term does not connote any form of physical descent from, or essential unity with, God. The
Hebrew idiom conveys an expression of godlikeness (see Godliness). In Judaism
the term "son of God" is rarely used in the sense of "messiah." Taken
from http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=son+of+God
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