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    Posted: 13 December 2019 at 7:24pm
Is It True That Allah Exists?

When we see everything around us, there is one of our thoughts that comes to a question:
"Why Do All Exist ?" 
While all the things that we can see there are many things that impossibly we can made it, like sky objects including ourselves etc.

There are at least 4 ways to prove that Allah exists.

1. With human nature from birth.
Every child who was born to the earth, naturally has the nature to believe in God or believe in the Creator. And when the child is growing up, it is usually his parents who will determine the child's faith or may not have any faith at all.

2. With common sense.
Every creature cannot create itself because it did not exist before it was created. Thus, it means that there is something capable of creating it.
For example, when we see a house, it's impossible happen by itself, it must be human have made it. Likewise, this universe, it couldn't have existed if no one created it.

In Islamic teachings something like this is the use of the Aql argument, which is an argument based on human logic (common sense). And it is what guides humans in understanding something that cannot be doubted.

3. With shari'a.
With the existence of celestial books such as the Torah, the Psalms, the Gospels, the Qoran, all of which came from The Best Creator of this universe which was delivered through His Apostles.

In Islamic teachings something like this is the use of the Naql argument, which comes from the holy book Al-Qoran and Hadith Sahih.

These two arguments (Aql and Naql) will complement each other in their functions, so that can strengthen human beliefs about the truth.

4. With heart and taste.
For example, when du'a (the prayer) is answered, when feeling the wind, even though we can't see the wind what it looks like, etc.

From the fourth ways above, then comes a rule or a teaching commonly called "Religion"

Now, how to determine the truth of a religion?

The characteristics that must be known and remembered are as follows:

a. The time of revelation sent down can be determined certainty, and does not grow from the society but it is passed down to the society.

b. Delivered to the society through His Messengers. They did not create religion but only conveyed religion.
(This is what distinguishes between Celestial's Religion with the Culture's Religion)

c. Have a Holy Book.

d. The teachings are absolute so there is no need for change and improvement.

e. The concept of God is absolute monotheism.

f. The truth of the teachings is universal, which applies to all humans, times and circumstances.

Therefore, when someone looks for the truth about a religion, it is not objective if only looking at some of the behavior of who embrace that religion, but it would be very objective if studying the scriptures and all the rules of religious law as its substance.

Hopefully it will be an afterthought for all of us.

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Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Is It True That Allah Exists?

When we see everything around us, there is one of our thoughts that comes to a question:
"Why Do All Exist ?" 
While all the things that we can see there are many things that impossibly we can made it, like sky objects including ourselves etc.

There are at least 4 ways to prove that Allah exists.

1. With human nature from birth.
Every child who was born to the earth, naturally has the nature to believe in God or believe in the Creator. And when the child is growing up, it is usually his parents who will determine the child's faith or may not have any faith at all.


Yep, so how does that work if there is any actual single true answer?

Quote 2. With common sense.
Every creature cannot create itself because it did not exist before it was created. Thus, it means that there is something capable of creating it.
For example, when we see a house, it's impossible happen by itself, it must be human have made it.

The house is clearly an artifact. It was designed and built by deliberate action. Definately never a result of blind chance. The simplicity of it all and the lack of false starts and retained vestigal bits from precious incarnations of the design make that obvious.

Quote Likewise, this universe, it couldn't have existed if no one created it.

Nope. How about we don't know what process created the univers about 14,000,000,000 years ago.

Quote In Islamic teachings something like this is the use of the Aql argument, which is an argument based on human logic (common sense). And it is what guides humans in understanding something that cannot be doubted.

3. With shari'a.
With the existence of celestial books such as the Torah, the Psalms, the Gospels, the Qoran, all of which came from The Best Creator of this universe which was delivered through His Apostles.

In Islamic teachings something like this is the use of the Naql argument, which comes from the holy book Al-Qoran and Hadith Sahih.

These two arguments (Aql and Naql) will complement each other in their functions, so that can strengthen human beliefs about the truth.

4. With heart and taste.
For example, when du'a (the prayer) is answered, when feeling the wind, even though we can't see the wind what it looks like, etc.

Is that supposed to mean anything 'cos I have missed it?

Quote From the fourth ways above, then comes a rule or a teaching commonly called "Religion"

Now, how to determine the truth of a religion?

The characteristics that must be known and remembered are as follows:

a. The time of revelation sent down can be determined certainty, and does not grow from the society but it is passed down to the society.
Why is the date it happened so important? How about the trustability of the person telling you the information? Do they have supporting evidence? There are lots of things you would investigate if the statement was about a murder and you were trying to determine who was the killer.

Quote b. Delivered to the society through His Messengers. They did not create religion but only conveyed religion.
(This is what distinguishes between Celestial's Religion with the Culture's Religion)
How do you tell the difference between the true religion and a con job? We know when Mormonism started, when the books those fools use were written etc, still a con. Even worse is Scientology. A completely made up con trick.

Quote c. Have a Holy Book.
Common.

Quote d. The teachings are absolute so there is no need for change and improvement.
So why is there the additional work fo all those Islamic scholars?

Quote e. The concept of God is absolute monotheism.
How do you know that the universe is not the result of a collaboration of various beings playing some sort of hyper advanced computer game? I don't know that. How would we tell?

Quote f. The truth of the teachings is universal, which applies to all humans, times and circumstances.
So how did it work before the thing then? How did the Romans get along?

Quote Therefore, when someone looks for the truth about a religion, it is not objective if only looking at some of the behavior of who embrace that religion, but it would be very objective if studying the scriptures and all the rules of religious law as its substance.
So the evoil done in the mane of Christ should be ignored? Nope. If the religion creates evil rather than good it is a bad thing.

Quote Hopefully it will be an afterthought for all of us.

More thinking needed. You will need to compare your claims to those of other religions and see how yours are better than others.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MIAW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 December 2019 at 4:01am

Good posting Asep.

Here are 2 good, relevant videos I came across (worth watching):










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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote asep garutea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 December 2019 at 4:43am
Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:


Good posting Asep.

Here are 2 good, relevant videos I came across (worth watching):










Thank you MIAW,

I intentionally posted such  article. Who knows there are people who open their hearts and minds, so that they will get Hidayah (guidance) from Allah Ta'ala for their own salvation, especially in the eternal afterlife.

بَارَكَ اللهُ فِيْك

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