For Khadija-what is true christianity

I think I made it clear before that Islam means �submission to God��it doesn�t matter if it is through Judaism, Christianity or Islam.  There is no contradiction here.  All pure forms of faith of the BOOK are just that, �submission to the will of God�.  Judaism is merely a name for the faith of those who follow the Book that was revealed to the Prophet Moses (pbuh) and the requirement of that faith is �submission to the will of God� as opposed to our own will, the same is true with Christianity with the exception that those who follow it do so through the Prophet Jesus (pbuh). 

As I said before, with respect to the faith known as Islam, the phrase �submission to the will of God� is the essence of the message of that faith (as is with Judaism and Christianity) but it is also the name ascribed to that faith, �Islam� (which is not the case with Judaism and Christianity).  So, the ayat you are making reference to simply means what Sister Mishmish points out, and I tried to point out before.  That is, anyone who desires to follow any faith which is not submitting their will to God will never be accepted by God.  It doesn�t mean they have to follow the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).  They can follow any of God�s prophets (pbuh) as long as they are doing so in the pure sense that God meant for them to. 

fredifreeloader wrote: what you are saying is completely illogical.  the very first item on the list you gave of the characteristics of "righteous" people is that they believe in allah.  well how can they believe in allah unless they believe the quran, the word of allah?  how can they believe in allah unless they believe the message of muhammad, the apostle of allah?

Now I know for sure that you are not here to learn about Islam and that you do not listen to what other here are saying.  At least not to any Muslim because if you had, you would know that the God of Muhammad (pbuh) is the God of Moses (pbuh) and the God of Jesus (pbuh).  Allah is simply the Arabic word for God.  If I say that in order to be righteous a person has to believe in Allah, it simply means he/she has to believe in GOD. 

By your statement, are you trying to say that the God of Jesus (pbuh) is not the same God as the God of Moses (pbuh)?  It is clear in the Holy Qur�an that the God of Moses (pbuh) is the same as the God of Muhammad (pbuh) and the God of Jesus (pbuh) is the same as well.  Maybe the problem you have is that you simply cannot accept that the God of the Holy Qur�an is the same as the God of Moses (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh).  If so, why not?  You believe that the God of Jesus (pbuh) is the same as the God of Moses (pbuh) even though the Jews won�t accept the Gospel.  Muslims accept both the Gospel and the Torah (of course we believe there are some corruptions made to it by men but we do believe that the Torah and Gospel were originally the pure, divine revelation of God and we believe in all of God�s messengers (pbut)).

fredifreeloader wrote: also the real issue has not been addressed, namely the question of "true christianity"

I answered that question in my last post (and above); however, you really don�t care what I say.  Your mind is made up.  But here it is again.  True Christianity = True Judaism = True Islam�because in their true form, they all mean �submission to the will of God�.  And once again, they all have the following characteristics:

They believe in:

�          God = Eloh (Hebrew), Alah (Aramaic), Allah (Arabic)     

�        The Last Day (That is, the Day of Judgment)

�        The Angels

�        The Book (That is, the Holy Scripture, Divine Revelation, as revealed by God to His chosen Messengers), and

�        The Messengers (That is, although true believers follow the example of one, they believe in, respect and love them all equally).

        They also:

�        Spend of their substance, out of love for God

�        Are steadfast in prayer

�        Practice regular charity

�        Fulfill the contracts which they have made

�        Are firm and patient in pain and adversity

I changed Allah to God so that an Arabic word won�t hang you up.  However, I also gave the correct word for �God� according to the language each of the prophets (pbut) used in delivering the message.  The interesting thing�one you might want to note�is that they can all be pronounced the same, they mean the same (i.e., God), the root verb of each means �to take an oath� and the verb form of each is the same as well, that is, the verb of each is �to worship�.

The author, Dennis Giron, of �Allah in the Jewish Bible�, which is found on the web site jews-for-allah.org sited below, states the following:

Let me make it more clear....

1. We have made the connection in terms of spelling, as all these words are spelled similar to one another.
2. The geographic connection is there, as these respective languages originate in regions that are very close to one another.
3. The roots are also basically the same.

The meanings are essentially the same.

So, although I changed the word to �God�, it should not matter whether I use the word Eloh, Alah, or Allah, because they all �essentially� mean the same which translates to the English word �God�.

I�m sure you are not going to agree with something I have to say so let me give you the links to find this information:

Hebrew (Eloh): go to http://jews-for-allah.org/Why-Believe-in-Allah/Allah-inthe-J ewish-Bible.htm. 

Aramaic (Alah): go to http://www.pesh*tta.org/ (this is the Pesh*tta Aramaic-English Interlinear New Testament) and click on tools and then Lexicon.  Then type in God in the Search Engine.  Then simply go down and look at the pronunciation for God in the Aramaic.  It will say (Eastern) AaLaH and (Western) AaLoH. 

Ashukru-lillahi Rabbil-Alameen Wala- Hawla  Wala Quwata Illa Billah

PAZ

Sister Khadija