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 Posted: 04 December 2019 at 3:19am |
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Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
|
If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
|
So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
|
What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?
This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given
wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those
of understanding.
So Allah is your source of information.
He will be a young man with a ruddy complexion, short, with
thick curly hair, a wide forehead, and broad upper chest, blind or defective
(mamsooh) in the right eye. This eye will be neither prominent nor sunken, and
will look like a floating grape.
His left eye will be covered with a thick piece of flesh
growing at the edge of his eye. Written between his eyes will be “Kaaf faa’
raa’ (K-F-R)”, in separate (Arabic) letters, or “kaafir”, with the letters
joined. This will be read by every Muslim, literate or illiterate.
It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased
with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be
upon him) mentioned the Dajjaal to the people and said: “Allaah is not
one-eyed, but the false messiah (al-maseeh al-dajjaal) is one-eyed, blind or
defective in his right eye, with his eye looking like a floating grape…”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3184).
In the lengthy
hadeeth narrated by al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan (may Allaah be pleased with him) it
says: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
mentioned the Dajjaal one morning. Sometimes he described him as insignificant
and sometimes he described him as so significant that we thought that he was in
the cluster of date-palm trees…” One of the features of the Dajjaal that he
described was: “He will be a young man with very curly hair, with his eye
floating. It is as if he looks like ‘Abd al-‘Uzza ibn Qatan.” (Narrated by
Muslim, no. 5228)
Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions. |
You said: (What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?)
Answer: Such verse can only be proven by people who believe and devote to Allah.
You said: (This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.)
Answer: Why are you reluctant to write "st**id verse" ? Whatever you do, Allah is All-Seeing, He is even closer than your jugular vein. If you do a goodness, then the goodness is for yourself, but if you do a badness, then the badness will harm yourself. That can happen in the world or later in the hereafter.
You said: (So Allah is your source of information.)
Answer: Yes.
You said: (Why was there no other references outside any non islamic references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated followers with his lies and deceptions.)
Answer: That's why Allah revealed the Qoran as a guidance and notification of what has happened in the past, the present, and the future (including the hereafter), and which was not informed in the previous holy books.
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Posted: 06 December 2019 at 6:03pm |
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asep garutea wrote:
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asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
|
So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
|
"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
|
It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
|
Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
|
If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
|
So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
|
What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?
This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given
wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those
of understanding.
So Allah is your source of information.
He will be a young man with a ruddy complexion, short, with
thick curly hair, a wide forehead, and broad upper chest, blind or defective
(mamsooh) in the right eye. This eye will be neither prominent nor sunken, and
will look like a floating grape.
His left eye will be covered with a thick piece of flesh
growing at the edge of his eye. Written between his eyes will be “Kaaf faa’
raa’ (K-F-R)”, in separate (Arabic) letters, or “kaafir”, with the letters
joined. This will be read by every Muslim, literate or illiterate.
It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased
with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be
upon him) mentioned the Dajjaal to the people and said: “Allaah is not
one-eyed, but the false messiah (al-maseeh al-dajjaal) is one-eyed, blind or
defective in his right eye, with his eye looking like a floating grape…”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3184).
In the lengthy
hadeeth narrated by al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan (may Allaah be pleased with him) it
says: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
mentioned the Dajjaal one morning. Sometimes he described him as insignificant
and sometimes he described him as so significant that we thought that he was in
the cluster of date-palm trees…” One of the features of the Dajjaal that he
described was: “He will be a young man with very curly hair, with his eye
floating. It is as if he looks like ‘Abd al-‘Uzza ibn Qatan.” (Narrated by
Muslim, no. 5228)
Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions. |
You said: (What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?)
Answer: Such verse can only be proven by people who believe and devote to Allah.
You said: (This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.)
Answer: Why are you reluctant to write "st**id verse" ? Whatever you do, Allah is All-Seeing, He is even closer than your jugular vein. If you do a goodness, then the goodness is for yourself, but if you do a badness, then the badness will harm yourself. That can happen in the world or later in the hereafter.
You said: (So Allah is your source of information.)
Answer: Yes.
You said: (Why was there no other references outside any non islamic references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated followers with his lies and deceptions.)
Answer: That's why Allah revealed the Qoran as a guidance and notification of what has happened in the past, the present, and the future (including the hereafter), and which was not informed in the previous holy books.
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I have asked you gave me some references of Dajjal in the bible but you can't so Muhammad was making up his own fables about Dajjal and the Mahdi to gave his muslims some moral support at the end of the world. You only heard about Muhammad from the Quran if there was Quran then there was no Allah or Muhammad in which you can state your arguments.
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Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
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They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
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So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
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So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
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So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
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What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?
This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given
wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those
of understanding.
So Allah is your source of information.
He will be a young man with a ruddy complexion, short, with
thick curly hair, a wide forehead, and broad upper chest, blind or defective
(mamsooh) in the right eye. This eye will be neither prominent nor sunken, and
will look like a floating grape.
His left eye will be covered with a thick piece of flesh
growing at the edge of his eye. Written between his eyes will be “Kaaf faa’
raa’ (K-F-R)”, in separate (Arabic) letters, or “kaafir”, with the letters
joined. This will be read by every Muslim, literate or illiterate.
It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased
with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be
upon him) mentioned the Dajjaal to the people and said: “Allaah is not
one-eyed, but the false messiah (al-maseeh al-dajjaal) is one-eyed, blind or
defective in his right eye, with his eye looking like a floating grape…”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3184).
In the lengthy
hadeeth narrated by al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan (may Allaah be pleased with him) it
says: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
mentioned the Dajjaal one morning. Sometimes he described him as insignificant
and sometimes he described him as so significant that we thought that he was in
the cluster of date-palm trees…” One of the features of the Dajjaal that he
described was: “He will be a young man with very curly hair, with his eye
floating. It is as if he looks like ‘Abd al-‘Uzza ibn Qatan.” (Narrated by
Muslim, no. 5228)
Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions. |
You said: (What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?)
Answer: Such verse can only be proven by people who believe and devote to Allah.
You said: (This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.)
Answer: Why are you reluctant to write "st**id verse" ? Whatever you do, Allah is All-Seeing, He is even closer than your jugular vein. If you do a goodness, then the goodness is for yourself, but if you do a badness, then the badness will harm yourself. That can happen in the world or later in the hereafter.
You said: (So Allah is your source of information.)
Answer: Yes.
You said: (Why was there no other references outside any non islamic references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated followers with his lies and deceptions.)
Answer: That's why Allah revealed the Qoran as a guidance and notification of what has happened in the past, the present, and the future (including the hereafter), and which was not informed in the previous holy books.
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I have asked you gave me some references of Dajjal in the bible but you can't so Muhammad was making up his own fables about Dajjal and the Mahdi to gave his muslims some moral support at the end of the world. You only heard about Muhammad from the Quran if there was Quran then there was no Allah or Muhammad in which you can state your arguments. |
As far as my knowledge in the Bible does not exist about Dajjal and Al Mahdi, but in the Qoran there is an implied verse. This proves that the Qoran can provide information on some events in the past and the future.
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Posted: 07 December 2019 at 4:31pm |
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Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
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They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
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So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
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So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
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So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
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What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?
This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given
wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those
of understanding.
So Allah is your source of information.
He will be a young man with a ruddy complexion, short, with
thick curly hair, a wide forehead, and broad upper chest, blind or defective
(mamsooh) in the right eye. This eye will be neither prominent nor sunken, and
will look like a floating grape.
His left eye will be covered with a thick piece of flesh
growing at the edge of his eye. Written between his eyes will be “Kaaf faa’
raa’ (K-F-R)”, in separate (Arabic) letters, or “kaafir”, with the letters
joined. This will be read by every Muslim, literate or illiterate.
It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased
with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be
upon him) mentioned the Dajjaal to the people and said: “Allaah is not
one-eyed, but the false messiah (al-maseeh al-dajjaal) is one-eyed, blind or
defective in his right eye, with his eye looking like a floating grape…”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3184).
In the lengthy
hadeeth narrated by al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan (may Allaah be pleased with him) it
says: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
mentioned the Dajjaal one morning. Sometimes he described him as insignificant
and sometimes he described him as so significant that we thought that he was in
the cluster of date-palm trees…” One of the features of the Dajjaal that he
described was: “He will be a young man with very curly hair, with his eye
floating. It is as if he looks like ‘Abd al-‘Uzza ibn Qatan.” (Narrated by
Muslim, no. 5228)
Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions. |
You said: (What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?)
Answer: Such verse can only be proven by people who believe and devote to Allah.
You said: (This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.)
Answer: Why are you reluctant to write "st**id verse" ? Whatever you do, Allah is All-Seeing, He is even closer than your jugular vein. If you do a goodness, then the goodness is for yourself, but if you do a badness, then the badness will harm yourself. That can happen in the world or later in the hereafter.
You said: (So Allah is your source of information.)
Answer: Yes.
You said: (Why was there no other references outside any non islamic references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated followers with his lies and deceptions.)
Answer: That's why Allah revealed the Qoran as a guidance and notification of what has happened in the past, the present, and the future (including the hereafter), and which was not informed in the previous holy books.
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I have asked you gave me some references of Dajjal in the bible but you can't so Muhammad was making up his own fables about Dajjal and the Mahdi to gave his muslims some moral support at the end of the world. You only heard about Muhammad from the Quran if there was Quran then there was no Allah or Muhammad in which you can state your arguments. |
As far as my knowledge in the Bible does not exist about Dajjal and Al Mahdi, but in the Qoran there is an implied verse. This proves that the Qoran can provide information on some events in the past and the future.
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Like this fable a stone run away with Musa's clothes where someone pick this up only they will and the muslims who believe in this.
Sahih Al-Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 616:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "(The Prophet) Moses was a shy
person and used to cover his body completely because of his extensive shyness.
One of the children of Israel hurt him by saying, 'He covers his body in this
way only because of some defect in his skin, either leprosy or scrotal hernia,
or he has some other defect.' Allah wished to clear Moses of what they said
about him, so one day while Moses was in seclusion, he took off his clothes and
put them on a stone and started taking a bath. When he had finished the bath,
he moved towards his clothes so as to take them, but the stone took his clothes
and fled; Moses picked up his stick and ran after the stone saying, 'O stone!
Give me my garment!' Till he reached a group of Bani Israel who saw him naked
then, and found him the best of what Allah had created, and Allah cleared him
of what they had accused him of. The stone stopped there and Moses took and put
his garment on and started hitting the stone with his stick. By Allah, the
stone still has some traces of the hitting, three, four or five marks. THIS IS
WAS WHAT ALLAH REFERS TO IN HIS SAYING:-- "O you who believe! Be you not
like those Who annoyed Moses, But Allah proved his innocence of that which they
alleged, And he was honorable In Allah's Sight." (33.69)
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Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.
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Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions... |
What?... you want us to educate you about your own bible??... you don't even know your own bible and you come on here 'slandering' the Qur'an?
In Christianity, Dajjal is known as the Anti-christ. He is mentioned in the bible, sometimes by name and sometimes by attributes. For example:
1 John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 13:13-18 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
You are typical of all Islamophobes... they don't know what they are talking about... They talk out of their ignorance
P.S. I am studying the Bible and the Taurah at the moment (as well as the Qur'an), and I can firmly say: Alhamdulillah (Praise to Allah) for the Qur'an... it is really in a higher league of its own... The Qur'an is the absolute TRUTH!
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1 John 2:22 So who is
lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s
who. This is what makes an
antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has
any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of
the Father as well.
Qur’an 19:88
Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’
preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth
break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a
son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
Qur’an 23:91
Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to
them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is
there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his
own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their
falsehoods!
Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife,
nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a
wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell
of Him what is untrue.
This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words
of Allah.
Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is
the Antichrist)
Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is
the Antichrist)
In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son
Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so
what does that tell you your false prophet
Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to
destroy Christ and all His followers. But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad. Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!. Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life. What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy. Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.
Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.
He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent
forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even
with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal
men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look
like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.
Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The
Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man,
not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He
would be a man and he would be alive. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries. |
(1 John 2:22 So who is lying here? It’s the person who denies that Jesus is the Divine Christ, that’s who. This is what makes an antichrist: denying the Father, denying the Son. No one who denies the Son has any part with the Father, but affirming the Son is an embrace of the Father as well.)
Answer: I want to ask you, is Jesus a human child or God's child ?
(Qur’an 19:88 Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!)
Answer: Can you imagine if God has a son ? And He is a father ? Automatically the position of Maria's parents is higher than God, because they are God's parents-in-law. thus God's degree in human eyes will be weak.
(Qur’an 23:91 Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!)
Answer: Yes, if God more than one, They will fight for power. That verse can only be accepted by people who are smart in thinking.
(Qur'an 72:3
He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.)
(This was exactly what Muhammad did to do some modifications to his so called words of Allah.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice because you don't like the Prophet Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.
(Allah can not be a Father (In bible denying the Father is the Antichrist)
(Allah can not have a Son (In the bible denying the Son is the Antichrist))
Answer: Dajjal will claim that he is God, so people who are religious on this earth will become his enemies.
(In islam according to Muhammad Jesus,Isa is not the Son Allah (Again denying that Jesus is not the Son God is the real Antichrist so what does that tell you your false prophet Muhammad created an Antichrist Empire who make its their mission to destroy Christ and all His followers.)
Answer: I want to ask you, who will kill Dajjal ?
(But Allah had three daughters! but Allah's wife can not have a Son its not permitted by Muhammad.)
Answer: The acknowledgment that God had three children is derived from beliefs in ancient Babylonian times, namely the worshipers of the sun and consider that God a lot.
(Islamaphobia is new islamic invention which Muslims discovered lately to gain simpathy by the non believers which meaes in the exact terms fear! for Muslims! fear,fear,fear,fear!.)
Answer: I can read through the words that you write that your heart is upset. Be careful that the devil will easily tempt the hearts of people who are upset or angry. Whoever the person is, don't be afraid of Muslims (Islamaphobia), but fear to the God of Muslims who are watching us wherever we are.
(Okay is that enough I do not fear Muslims get a grip life.)
Answer: That means you don't admit the messengers of God, whereas they have a grip life.
(What must Jibrill be called then a Cynophob cause he did not visit Muhmmad cause there was puppy under the bed so then Jibrill run away he was scared of the puppy.)
Answer: Gabriel is not afraid of anyone except to Allah.
(Muhmmad was also a cynophod cause he said that Muslims must kill all black dogs cause there is a devil in every black doggie.)
Answer: The Prophet Muhammad did not dare to kill all creatures created by Allah unless there was an order from Allah.
(Dajjal is not in Christianity a hairy hen toed one eyed creature like Muhammad's description of his emulation of a antichrist or false messiah what ever muslim called it.)
(He Prophet further said that Dajjal would have a prominent forehead and a wide neck. Short in height, but he would be very powerful, even with a hunch in his back. He would walk with his feet apart, not like normal men. Dajjal would have long and curly hair, so thick that his locks would look like snakes hanging from his head, lots of them, coiled together.)
(Dajjal would be sterile, he would not have any children. The Holy Prophet’s description of Dajjal clearly states that Dajjal would be a man, not a woman, not a theory, not a nation, or any other sort of propaganda. He would be a man and he would be alive.)
Answer: Whatever the characteristics of Dajjal is not the main problem, but every person who doesn't admit him as God, will be killed. And the first people to be approached and to be killed are Muslims.
(2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)
Answer: Yes he will claim as God.
(This is the exact modus operandi that islam is following to exalt themselfs over everthing that is called God or is worship like islam there no God but Allah and Muhammad was his only prophet, islam will dominate the world, impliment sharia law in non muslim countries.)
Answer: You are looking for loopholes to drop the teachings of Tawheed. For Muslims, there is no God except Allah. Muslims do not agree with Dajjal's claim, instead Muslims acknowledge that Dajjal is also Allah's creation.
Muslims invite all people in countries because they want to save humans, especially in the hereafter. Even if it is rejected, it will not be a problem for Muslims because they have conveyed Allah's commands.
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You can totally not visualise that the Dajjal was a fabrcation fairy tale of Muhammad as same as the Madhi supposed to be a descendant Muhammad which is also fabricated lie of Muhammad who wanted emulate the real Messiah to moraly impressed his believers
This last is the completely Moslemized version of the saga:
the intermediate stage being defined by the idea that the rule of the Mahdi
will be overthrown by Dajjal, in order that Anti-christ may in turn be
overthrown by Jesus at his second coming. The killing of the False Messiah will traumatize the
Christians and Jews who had followed him, for it will finally reveal to them
that he was not what he had claimed to be. The Prophet of Islam, may the mercy
and blessings of God be upon him, said:
"The son of Mary will soon descend among you and will
judge justly (according to the Law of God [26]): he will break the cross and
kill the pig... " (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The breaking of the cross may be figurative or literal: the
destruction of erected idols in churches and tearing down of crosses from their
steeples, as well as forbidding the use of personal crosses as symbols of
religion; or the destruction of the myth that he was executed by the Romans on
a cross at the instigation of the Jews. Likewise, the killing of the pigs may
be both literal and figurative: literally conducting a campaign to kill all
pigs so the consumption of their meat becomes impossible, allowing them to be
killed, or simply re-imposing the ban God made since time immemorial on
eating their flesh, effectively forcing pig farmers to get rid of their stock
by culling. In effect, two of the mainstays of widespread Christian practice
will be removed, indicating that the religion as taught by modern Christians
would henceforth be defunct, and marking a return to the religion as originally
intended. Muslims must have actually forgot Jesus will come to kill all the camels also they also must be killed.
Jesus himself will not only rule and judge by the Muslim
Shariah, he will complete all the Islamic pillars. The Prophet of Islam said:
"By him in Whose hand my life is, the son of Mary will
certainly invoke the name of God for Hajj or Umrah or both in the valley of
Rauha (a valley near Medina)." (Saheeh Muslim) This one the biggest lie in history I have ever heard that Jesus will die, Muslims believed Jesus never died on the cross now when he came back he will die what a lie what is wrong with Allah will he not save Jesus and take him up to heaven and they say in boast we kill Isa but they kill him not.
Then, forty years after his second coming, he will die, and
the Muslims will perform the funeral prayer for him. And this moment is the
moment God is referring to in the Quranic verse:
"And there is none of the People of the Book who must
believe in him before his death... " (Quran 4:159)
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