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 Posted: 08 November 2019 at 8:33pm |
 Peace maker wrote:
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Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Posted: 09 November 2019 at 1:50pm |
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
|
"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
|
It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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Posted: 09 November 2019 at 7:16pm |
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
|
So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
|
"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
|
It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
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Posted: 10 November 2019 at 5:06pm |
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
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So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
|
Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
|
If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles.
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Posted: 10 November 2019 at 8:42pm |
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
|
So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
|
"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
|
It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
|
Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
|
If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
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Posted: 26 November 2019 at 3:38pm |
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
|
So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
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So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
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So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then?
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Posted: 27 November 2019 at 7:36pm |
Peace maker wrote:
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asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
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So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
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They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
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"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
|
If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
|
So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
|
So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
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Posted: 28 November 2019 at 4:21pm |
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Hi Peace maker, how are you ? It's been a long time enough I didn't folow this forum. There are two questions that I want to convey to you, including:
1. Regarding your statement: (Jesus's words is eternal from the before the earth was created He is the word of God.) Who says that ? how is your understanding of "the word of God." with Jesus the son of the mother of Mary ? Do you think that material and non-material things are the same?
2. Are the books of Mark, Mathius, Luke, and John, each contents are all the same ? Thanks, God Bless you.
|
So whats the definition Jesus said I was send to my own and they didn't accept me. |
Does that statement mean that Jesus considers himself God? Do you mean that? Well ! then which book do you choose ? Mark, Mathius, Luke, or John? I will prove that there are some contents that are not the same.
|
They were not writen the same but the Christian Apocrypa in the Quran is 100% right do you agree. Here are two Christian fables that Muhammad heard of, and
then recited into the Qur'an.
Injilu 't Tufuliyyah better known as the Arabic "Gospel
of the Infancy of Jesus Christ"
JESUS SPEAKING FROM
THE CRADLE He shall preach to men in
his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life. Sura 3:46.
Another reference to this is Sura 19:28-34:
"O sister of
Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot. Then she
pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and has
made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has
enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive, And (has made
me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.
Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be
raised alive! Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth
concerning which they doubt.
JESUS TURNING CLAY
BIRDS INTO LIVING BIRDS He will say:
"I bring you a sign from your Lord. From clay I will make for you the
likeness of a bird. I shall breath into it and, by God's leave, it shall become
a living bird." Sura 3:49
Both of these events, the speaking in the cradle and the
birds from clay are mentioned again in Sura 5:110 When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary!
Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with
the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in
maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the
Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by
My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and
thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how
thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children
of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and
those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
|
"They were not writen the same" Answer: If there were some verses written not the same in the Gospels, it could be that the Gospels of other Christians are approaching the truth, not what you are following now.
(Sura 3:46) It's true, Jesus could speak from infancy and Muslims also believe.
(19:28-34:) It is true that Maria's parents were godly, and Jesus a servant of God, not the son of God, it proves that Jesus was a Prophet because God made him a Prophet, and the Prophet was a human being, Jesus was also ordered to do salah during his life . Do you also do salah like Jesus?
(Sura 3:49) That proves that Jesus was only sent to Israelis, not to all humans.
(Sura 5:110) Indeed, Jesus was able to talk since he was a baby due to Gabriel's help at Allah's command. And indeed what you say is evidence of the miracles that Allah gave him.
If you consider that the Prophet Muhammad taken example of someone's story, why are there many verses in the Quran that aren't in the previous books?
Muslims respect and glorify Jesus, because Muslims do not believe that Jesus was killed and crucified.
Conclusion: I think that you are subconsciously proving the truth of the Qur'an.
|
So what was unreliable for the gosples became reliable in the Quran what Muhammad plagiarised from the gnostic Christian stories became the truth what Allah could not fixed in the past Muhammad came and fix it for Allah it take 600 years after Jesus in which Allah could not fix his past,And after Adam it take 5000 years for Allah to fix what went wrong in the past.
The Quran says:
3:44 This is an account of things beyond your knowledge that
We reveal to you [Muhammad]: you were not present among them when they cast
lots to see which of them should take charge of Mary, you were not present when
they argued [about her] . . . (Haleem)
The same apocryphal gospel says that divining rods were used
to decide on the custody of young Mary. This passage describes some tumult
among the candidates as well.
The apocryphal gospel says:
8.3 And the heralds went forth and spread out through all the
surrounding country of Judaea; the trumpet of the Lord sounded and all [the
widowers] ran to it. [The widowers give their rods to the high priest] 9.1 When
he took the rods, and went out (again) [from the Temple] and gave them to them:
but there was no sign on them . . . [Joseph got a divine sign of a dove]. And
the priest said to Joseph: "Joseph, to you has fallen the good fortune to
receive the virgin of the Lord; take her under your care. (New Testament
Apocrypha, pp. 429-430)
The Quran says:
19:23 . . . [A]nd, when the pain of childbirth drove her to
cling to the trunk of the palm tree, she exclaimed, "I wish I had been
long dead and forgotten before all this!" 24 but a voice cried to her from
below, "Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet 25 and,
if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe
dates for you, 26 so eat, drink, be glad . . . (Haleem)
This story of miraculous deliverance through a palm tree and
a stream of water comes from the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew, or more accurately,
The Book About the Origin of the Blessed Mary and the Childhood of the Savior.
Muhammad alters a passage in this pseudo-gospel, or he heard
an altered version of it (or both). He connects the miracle of the palm and the
stream to Mary giving birth to Jesus, but the non-canonical gospel says that
the baby Jesus worked the miracle. Joseph and Mary are concerned about food and
water as they travel to Egypt. The infant Jesus overhears their conversation
and solves their problem.
The apocryphal gospel says:
Then the child Jesus, who was sitting with a happy
countenance in his mother's lap, said to the palm: "Bend down your
branches, O tree, and refresh my mother with your fruit." And immediately
at this command [voice] the palm bent down to the feet of the blessed Mary, and
they gathered from its fruit and they all refreshed themselves . . .
[Addressing the palm, Jesus says:] "And open beneath your roots a vein of
water . . . and let the waters flow" . . . And when they saw the fountain
of water, they greatly rejoiced and quenched their thirst . . . (The New
Testament Apocrypha, vol. 1, p. 463)
Sura4:157 Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus
the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ
therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to
follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to
the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is,
as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement
modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. So in this scenario Allah fix one of his biggest mistakes he had made 600 years ago in Muhmmad's time and correct it by means sorry I made it appear to them it was only a illusion I actually crucified someone else in Jesus's place THEN WHO WAS THAT SOMEONE ELSE WHO LOOK LIKED JESUS.
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It was not the Prophets and Apostles who were wrong in the past, but the scholars of the book who changed the books of the Prophets / Apostles. Therefore the Prophet Muhammad was sent by Allah to correct the religion of monotheism taught by the Prophets and Apostles who have now been changed by the hands of the scribes and others. And it's up to you whether you believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad, for Muslims it does not matter. To be sure the Prophet Jesus was not killed and not crucified. We wish you a long life and can witness the Prophet Jesus (Jesus) descending to earth, and among his duties is in addition to killing Dajjal, also to straighten the religion of Tawhid (monotheism) on this earth.
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Then Muhammad was sent correct a religion by means of this.
Asep,Asep what on earth is going on? with muslims who still believe in this fairytales of Muhammad.
The Dajjal a hairy hen toed creature And His Magic Mule. He is Jew and his followers is also Jews.
Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the
Dajjal, “ He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a
giant mule… He will travel the entire world.” As strange as this is, it also
bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he
entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last
Prophet (peace & blessings be upon
him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have
understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The
hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his
other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet
(peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat,
curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.’
(Bukhari)
According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most
distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic
letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr
(disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these
letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will
emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he
is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the
Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the
Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish
women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles
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If you think that it's a fairy tale, it's no problem. But that's something will really happen because Allah told me with His implied verse. I hope you live long and can prove it
The Dajjal can be a Jew but it may also not be a Jew.
Whatever the type of story we don't know which story is true, no one knows except Allah. To be sure the Dajjal will come.
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So Allah told you about Dajjal ,What did he told you that Dajjal will come now you getting nightmares of the hairy hen toed creature which came from pre-islamic folklore stories what Muhammad told,and became all of a sudden with his so called instant revelations and made Dajjal a living bieng which will take part in Allah's day of judgement spiritual warfare its sounds more like starwars the hairy wooky creature in starwars Muhmmad's own imagination which have become a serious believe among highly educated islamic circles. |
I don't care what Dajjal looks like, but Allah informs me with His implied verse that Dajjal will really appear. Wishing you a long life.
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So you don't care about his looks as long as Allah gave you the the stamp approval that he will appear. You only believe in Allah cause the Quran comfirms Allah and you believe in the Quran cause Allah confirms the Quran if there was no Quran then in who would you believe then? |
I have repeatedly said in this forum that the Qoran only informs in general, not in detail, so this requires "Sarahan" (detailed explanation) as the Prophet Muhammad with his hadiths including the skillful translators of the Qoran.
It seems that you are looking for other ways to dim the light of Islam, even though the light will be brighter. May Allah gives His "Hikmah" to you as mentioned in the Qoran 2:269.
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What has this got to do with what you can not proof to me?
This is anyway a st**id verse with no explanation.
He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given
wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those
of understanding.
So Allah is your source of information.
He will be a young man with a ruddy complexion, short, with
thick curly hair, a wide forehead, and broad upper chest, blind or defective
(mamsooh) in the right eye. This eye will be neither prominent nor sunken, and
will look like a floating grape.
His left eye will be covered with a thick piece of flesh
growing at the edge of his eye. Written between his eyes will be “Kaaf faa’
raa’ (K-F-R)”, in separate (Arabic) letters, or “kaafir”, with the letters
joined. This will be read by every Muslim, literate or illiterate.
It was also narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased
with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be
upon him) mentioned the Dajjaal to the people and said: “Allaah is not
one-eyed, but the false messiah (al-maseeh al-dajjaal) is one-eyed, blind or
defective in his right eye, with his eye looking like a floating grape…”
(narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3184).
In the lengthy
hadeeth narrated by al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan (may Allaah be pleased with him) it
says: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
mentioned the Dajjaal one morning. Sometimes he described him as insignificant
and sometimes he described him as so significant that we thought that he was in
the cluster of date-palm trees…” One of the features of the Dajjaal that he
described was: “He will be a young man with very curly hair, with his eye
floating. It is as if he looks like ‘Abd al-‘Uzza ibn Qatan.” (Narrated by
Muslim, no. 5228)
Why was there no other references outside any non islamic
references and even in the bible nothing at all just a fairy tale imagination
of your false cult leader about Dajjal who wanted impress his uneducated
followers with his lies and deceptions.
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