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 Posted: 14 October 2019 at 12:58am |
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...So you tell me Muhammad just make war and rob caravans just for charity... |
Assalamu alaikum my Muslim brothers and sisters,... Here we go again! 
I am not addressing this post/contribution to the so-called 'Peace Maker' (no offence), because the likes of him/her have existed since the dawn of this Perfect religion that is Islam (i.e. since Prophet Adam AS)... they will never stop... when they ask you a question, it is usually not because they want to know the answer, it is because they want to have another 'dig' at your religion, it is just another way of insulting your sacred and respected symbols. Their questions/criticisms have been answered for centuries, and yet they keep coming back with the same falsehood, because they have no intention of ever accepting any answer from you... so be aware!
This post/contribution is intended to educate other Muslims about their history and their religion... it is in no way intended to justify anything... No Muslim should ever have to justify (or prove) anything about their religion to a non-Muslim... especially when we look at the latter's own history of atrocities (that they try to cover up by bombarding you with questions and keeping you busy answering them... i.e keeping you forever on the 'defensive') ...
Now... back to the Caravans of Quraish (Makkah),
Here are some well-documented facts about your history, so learn them well... in order to answer all the 'Peace-makers' of this world in the future:
1) Prophet Muhammad ﷺ had been known for his noble character, high morals and truthfulness during all his life throughout Makkah. However, after he received the revelation, he and his followers were persecuted, tortured, exiled, starved of food, isolated... by the extremists of Makkah, all because they wanted to worship One God instead of 360 gods. This went on for (a loooong) 13 years.
2) Eventually, this persecution became too unbearable, and those who were still alive (including our Prophet ﷺ) had to flee with their lives to Madinah... leaving behind all their wealth, possessions, families, spouses, loved ones and friends... it was extreme hardship and difficult times, but I personally find it fascinating how the early Muslims were prepared to give up everything, rather than give up this 'precious' new religion that Allah SWT Has Favoured them with! (this should tell you a lot about the extent of trust and faith that they had in the new religion, but also especially in the man who brought it to them, and whom they knew very well)... Anyway, back to our subject...
3) When Muslims found refuge in Madinah, the people of Quraish (Makkah) did not leave them alone: They would confiscate all their wealth and belongings left behind, persecute and torture their families and friends... but even all that was not enough...
4) The people of Quraish (Makkah) issued ultimatums and threats to all the tribes of Madinah (who offered shelter to Muslims). They wrote to them saying:
إِنَّكُمْ آوَيْتُمْ صَاحِبَنَا وَإِنَّا نُقْسِمُ بِاللَّهِ لَتُقَاتِلُنَّهُ �£َوْ لَتُخْرِجُنَّهُ �£َوْ لَنَسِيرَنَّ إِلَيْكُمْ بِ�£َجْمَعِنَا حَتَّى نَقْتُلَ مُقَاتِلَتَكُمْ وَنَسْتَبِيحَ نِسَاءَكُمْ You have given protection to our companion. We swear by Allah that you must fight him or exile him, or else we will come at you in full force. We will kill your fighting men and take your women. Note: Yes they believed in Allah, but in a different/wrong way. (For example: See Qur'an [39:38]).
5) So they (the people of Quraish, Makkah) declared war, and war was imminent, therefore they needed money (how similar to today!)... so they intensified trading by sending caravans... all the proceeds of which were intended to finance this war. But this is not the worst part... the worst part was that the goods in these caravans heading for Syria were mostly what the Muslims had left behind when they were made to flee, and worse still: the caravan would pass right under the Muslims' noses in Madinah, on its way to Syria!... Talk about HUMILIATION!! (compare this to the fact that Christian and other Missionaries annihilated, mutilated, murdered, raped, pillaged, plundered...etc entire innocent populations, nations, civilisations all over the world and throughout Mankind history... for no reason or justification whatsoever!!!... but more about this later)
The rest is history...
6) Question: Were there many caravans passing by Madinah? Answer: Yes Question: Did Muslims attack all of them? Answer: No, only the ones that were associated with Quraish... for the reasons described in (5) above. Question: Did Muslims commit atrocities? Answer: No, they were adhering to strict rules.
7) The 'Peace makers' of this world will always criticize everything about your religion, down to the air that you breathe... is that a very bad thing?... in my opinion: not necessarily... because it should encourage you to research and learn about your religion... the true religion: Islam.
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Posted: 16 October 2019 at 3:20am |
وَعَلَيْكُمْ السَّلاَمُ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ Thank you MIAW for reminding me. Actually I already know that every time he asks me, I always answer him and when I ask him, he doesn't answer of all my question. Alhamdulillah, Allah Ta'ala has told me through His Word in the Surah Al Baqarah, verse 6. Thank you MIAW, may Allah Ta'ala make you a servant of Allah Ta'ala. �£مين يارب العالمين وَ السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ
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Posted: 28 October 2019 at 2:36pm |
asep garutea wrote:
You have been influenced by the behavior of some Muslims so you have that understanding. Please remember, Islam does not teach radicalism. If the Prophet Muhammad was a radical person, it was impossible for his teachings to spread throughout the world. Here is the proof: Allah Says: "Then thanks to the grace of God you (Muhammad) are gentle to them. If you act hard and have a rough heart, surely they will distance themselves from your surroundings. Therefore forgive them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult with them in the matter. Then, if you have made up your mind, then put your trust in Allah. Truly, Allah loves those who tawakkal." (Ali 'Imran 3: 159)
As for what you wrote (3,151) means Allah tells us that those who associate Him will go to hell. And what you wrote (8.12) You do not know why that word of Allah revealed. That verse sent down to strengthen the Muslims Ummah during the Badr war when there were more opponents than the Muslims Ummah. And Allah helped the Prophet Muhammad and his army with the help of angels. It happened in the desert and rock hills. There is no civil society etc, only troops versus troops. You said: Muhammad boasted "I have been made victorious with terror" Bukhari 4:52:220 Where did the hadith come from? It was a political nuanced sentence so that everyone assumed that the Prophet Muhammad was arrogant and radical. The correct is: The Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam said: "This little army has won because of Allah's help." I have told in this forum before that some of the hadiths are authentic and some are fake, except the Qoran.
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You must make up your mind the hadith is not fake its sahih whuch means authentic and it proofs the QURAN SO LETS THEN STAY WITH QURAN AS YOU PLEASE.
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'). Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers. Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan)" The Arabic for the word "fight" is from qital, meaning physical combat. This is what the QURAN says in context.
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Posted: 28 October 2019 at 3:06pm |
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...So you tell me Muhammad just make war and rob caravans just for charity... |
Assalamu alaikum my Muslim brothers and sisters,... Here we go again!
I am not addressing this post/contribution to the so-called 'Peace Maker' (no offence), because the likes of him/her have existed since the dawn of this Perfect religion that is Islam (i.e. since Prophet Noah AS)... they will never stop... when they ask you a question, it is usually not because they want to know the answer, it is because they want to have another 'dig' at your religion, it is just another way of insulting your sacred and respected symbols. Their questions/criticisms have been answered for centuries, and yet they keep coming back with the same falsehood, because they have no intention of ever accepting any answer from you... so be aware!
This post/contribution is intended to educate other Muslims about their history and their religion... it is in no way intended to justify anything... No Muslim should ever have to justify (or prove) anything about their religion to a non-Muslim... especially when we look at the latter's own history of atrocities (that they try to cover up by bombarding you with questions and keeping you busy answering them... i.e keeping you forever on the 'defensive') ...
Now... back to the Caravans of Quraish (Makkah),
Here are some well-documented facts about your history, so learn them well... in order to answer all the 'Peace-makers' of this world in the future:
1) Prophet Muhammad ﷺ had been known for his noble character, high morals and truthfulness during all his life throughout Makkah. However, after he received the revelation, he and his followers were persecuted, tortured, exiled, starved of food, isolated... by the extremists of Makkah, all because they wanted to worship One God instead of 360 gods. This went on for (a loooong) 13 years.
2) Eventually, this persecution became too unbearable, and those who were still alive (including our Prophet ﷺ) had to flee with their lives to Madinah... leaving behind all their wealth, possessions, families, spouses, loved ones and friends... it was extreme hardship and difficult times, but I personally find it fascinating how the early Muslims were prepared to give up everything, rather than give up this 'precious' new religion that Allah SWT Has Favoured them with! (this should tell you a lot about the extent of trust and faith that they had in the new religion, but also especially in the man who brought it to them, and whom they knew very well)... Anyway, back to our subject...
3) When Muslims found refuge in Madinah, the people of Quraish (Makkah) did not leave them alone: They would confiscate all their wealth and belongings left behind, persecute and torture their families and friends... but even all that was not enough...
4) The people of Quraish (Makkah) issued ultimatums and threats to all the tribes of Madinah (who offered shelter to Muslims). They wrote to them saying:
إِنَّكُمْ آوَيْتُمْ صَاحِبَنَا وَإِنَّا نُقْسِمُ بِاللَّهِ لَتُقَاتِلُنَّهُ �£َوْ لَتُخْرِجُنَّهُ �£َوْ لَنَسِيرَنَّ إِلَيْكُمْ بِ�£َجْمَعِنَا حَتَّى نَقْتُلَ مُقَاتِلَتَكُمْ وَنَسْتَبِيحَ نِسَاءَكُمْ You have given protection to our companion. We swear by Allah that you must fight him or exile him, or else we will come at you in full force. We will kill your fighting men and take your women. Note: Yes they believed in Allah, but in a different/wrong way. (For example: See Qur'an [39:38]).
5) So they (the people of Quraish, Makkah) declared war, and war was imminent, therefore they needed money (how similar to today!)... so they intensified trading by sending caravans... all the proceeds of which were intended to finance this war. But this is not the worst part... the worst part was that the goods in these caravans heading for Syria were mostly what the Muslims had left behind when they were made to flee, and worse still: the caravan would pass right under the Muslims' noses in Madinah, on its way to Syria!... Talk about HUMILIATION!! (compare this to the fact that Christian and other Missionaries annihilated, mutilated, murdered, raped, pillaged, plundered...etc entire innocent populations, nations, civilisations all over the world and throughout Mankind history... for no reason or justification whatsoever!!!... but more about this later)
The rest is history...
6) Question: Were there many caravans passing by Madinah? Answer: Yes Question: Did Muslims attack all of them? Answer: No, only the ones that were associated with Quraish... for the reasons described in (5) above. Question: Did Muslims commit atrocities? Answer: No, they were adhering to strict rules.
7) The 'Peace makers' of this world will always criticize everything about your religion, down to the air that you breathe... is that a very bad thing?... in my opinion: not necessarily... because it should encourage you to research and learn about your religion... the true religion: Islam.
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The Battle of Badr was a key moment in Muhammad’s armed
struggle against Mecca’s pagan tribes. In 622 Muhammad and his followers had
emigrated from Mecca to Medina. From his new base Muhammad began raiding Meccan
caravan routes. This provoked the Meccan tribes into sending an army to
confront Muhammad’s Muslims. When word of a particularly wealthy caravan
escorted by Abū Sufyān, head of the Umayyad clan, reached Muhammad, a raiding
party of about 300 Muslims, to be led by Muhammad himself, was organized. By
filling the wells on the caravan route near Medina with sand, the Muslims lured
Abū Sufyān’s army to battle at Badr, near Medina, in March 624. I don't have to criticize someone by speaking the plain truth. What the Cusaders concern was it was evil and against the teachings of Jesus but what motivated them was the main instigater of evil and can not be justified one murder is evil and cruel.
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Posted: 28 October 2019 at 8:29pm |
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asep garutea wrote:
You have been influenced by the behavior of some Muslims so you have that understanding. Please remember, Islam does not teach radicalism. If the Prophet Muhammad was a radical person, it was impossible for his teachings to spread throughout the world. Here is the proof: Allah Says: "Then thanks to the grace of God you (Muhammad) are gentle to them. If you act hard and have a rough heart, surely they will distance themselves from your surroundings. Therefore forgive them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult with them in the matter. Then, if you have made up your mind, then put your trust in Allah. Truly, Allah loves those who tawakkal." (Ali 'Imran 3: 159)
As for what you wrote (3,151) means Allah tells us that those who associate Him will go to hell. And what you wrote (8.12) You do not know why that word of Allah revealed. That verse sent down to strengthen the Muslims Ummah during the Badr war when there were more opponents than the Muslims Ummah. And Allah helped the Prophet Muhammad and his army with the help of angels. It happened in the desert and rock hills. There is no civil society etc, only troops versus troops. You said: Muhammad boasted "I have been made victorious with terror" Bukhari 4:52:220 Where did the hadith come from? It was a political nuanced sentence so that everyone assumed that the Prophet Muhammad was arrogant and radical. The correct is: The Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam said: "This little army has won because of Allah's help." I have told in this forum before that some of the hadiths are authentic and some are fake, except the Qoran.
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You must make up your mind the hadith is not fake its sahih whuch means authentic and it proofs the QURAN SO LETS THEN STAY WITH QURAN AS YOU PLEASE.
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'). Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers. Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan)" The Arabic for the word "fight" is from qital, meaning physical combat. This is what the QURAN says in context.
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Explanation of the Quran 2: 244 and 2: 216 These verses explain that if we already know that there is no point in escaping death, like your country was attacked by another country, is it only the army that is obliged to fight? Or will all the people go to war?
When Islam will be destroyed, then Muslims must fight with all their wealth and souls to uphold the religion of the Prophets and Apostles on this earth (The religion of monotheism). And Allah is All-Hearing what people who don't want to fight (hypocritical Muslims) and those who are willing to fight (Mujahid). Then the good will be rewarded with kindness. Conversely, crime will also be rewarded with crime.
You said: (Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.) Answer: I want to ask you: did you witness what happened at that time? If you say it like that, you like assume: 1. God has sided with the wrong person. 2. You seem to know better than historians. 3. Your statement is not in accordance with the word of Allah in the Quran 3:159
Explanation of the Quran (3:56) It's true like that. It's the same if you oppose many laws that apply in your Country, what happens to you? Therefore, the Prophet Muhammad invited humanity to follow the rules of Allah, God of all the Prophets, in order to get salvation including salvation for the hereafter.
Explanation of the Quran (3: 151) Allah told to worship only to Him as all the Prophets and Apostles worship only to Him. And that fear will be felt when someone is dying where the door to repentance has been closed.
Explanation of the Quran (4:74) This verse contains two meanings, namely to fight with weapons for the sake of upholding the religion of Allah (Tawhid) and or fight without weapons, for example: teaching useful knowledge, helping the poor, fighting against lust etc. That also includes jihad or qital without weapons.
You said: (The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.)
Answer: Can you imagine if God told all Muslims to carry out suicide bombings, it would be against Quran 4: 29, 30.
Explanation of the Quran (4:76) Yes, Satan is a real enemy of man, so Satan will try to persuade and fight those who believe in Allah until success. (Like the devil's request when he will be sent down to earth.)
Now it's my turn to ask you. Why haven't you answered my question in the article: (Wants a proof that the Quran is God's word !!) This is my question (Oct. 13, 2019) Peace maker, What do you mean: "You won't be able to proof to me so don't waste your time.." Are you telling me to prove it or what ?, please don't be biased, because there will be many people who see in this forum. Thanks.
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Posted: 29 October 2019 at 7:50pm |
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
You have been influenced by the behavior of some Muslims so you have that understanding. Please remember, Islam does not teach radicalism. If the Prophet Muhammad was a radical person, it was impossible for his teachings to spread throughout the world. Here is the proof: Allah Says: "Then thanks to the grace of God you (Muhammad) are gentle to them. If you act hard and have a rough heart, surely they will distance themselves from your surroundings. Therefore forgive them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult with them in the matter. Then, if you have made up your mind, then put your trust in Allah. Truly, Allah loves those who tawakkal." (Ali 'Imran 3: 159)
As for what you wrote (3,151) means Allah tells us that those who associate Him will go to hell. And what you wrote (8.12) You do not know why that word of Allah revealed. That verse sent down to strengthen the Muslims Ummah during the Badr war when there were more opponents than the Muslims Ummah. And Allah helped the Prophet Muhammad and his army with the help of angels. It happened in the desert and rock hills. There is no civil society etc, only troops versus troops. You said: Muhammad boasted "I have been made victorious with terror" Bukhari 4:52:220 Where did the hadith come from? It was a political nuanced sentence so that everyone assumed that the Prophet Muhammad was arrogant and radical. The correct is: The Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam said: "This little army has won because of Allah's help." I have told in this forum before that some of the hadiths are authentic and some are fake, except the Qoran.
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You must make up your mind the hadith is not fake its sahih whuch means authentic and it proofs the QURAN SO LETS THEN STAY WITH QURAN AS YOU PLEASE.
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'). Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers. Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan)" The Arabic for the word "fight" is from qital, meaning physical combat. This is what the QURAN says in context.
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Explanation of the Quran 2: 244 and 2: 216 These verses explain that if we already know that there is no point in escaping death, like your country was attacked by another country, is it only the army that is obliged to fight? Or will all the people go to war?
When Islam will be destroyed, then Muslims must fight with all their wealth and souls to uphold the religion of the Prophets and Apostles on this earth (The religion of monotheism). And Allah is All-Hearing what people who don't want to fight (hypocritical Muslims) and those who are willing to fight (Mujahid). Then the good will be rewarded with kindness. Conversely, crime will also be rewarded with crime.
You said: (Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.) Answer: I want to ask you: did you witness what happened at that time? If you say it like that, you like assume: 1. God has sided with the wrong person. 2. You seem to know better than historians. 3. Your statement is not in accordance with the word of Allah in the Quran 3:159
Explanation of the Quran (3:56) It's true like that. It's the same if you oppose many laws that apply in your Country, what happens to you? Therefore, the Prophet Muhammad invited humanity to follow the rules of Allah, God of all the Prophets, in order to get salvation including salvation for the hereafter.
Explanation of the Quran (3: 151) Allah told to worship only to Him as all the Prophets and Apostles worship only to Him. And that fear will be felt when someone is dying where the door to repentance has been closed.
Explanation of the Quran (4:74) This verse contains two meanings, namely to fight with weapons for the sake of upholding the religion of Allah (Tawhid) and or fight without weapons, for example: teaching useful knowledge, helping the poor, fighting against lust etc. That also includes jihad or qital without weapons.
You said: (The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.)
Answer: Can you imagine if God told all Muslims to carry out suicide bombings, it would be against Quran 4: 29, 30.
Explanation of the Quran (4:76) Yes, Satan is a real enemy of man, so Satan will try to persuade and fight those who believe in Allah until success. (Like the devil's request when he will be sent down to earth.)
Now it's my turn to ask you. Why haven't you answered my question in the article: (Wants a proof that the Quran is God's word !!) This is my question (Oct. 13, 2019) Peace maker, What do you mean: "You won't be able to proof to me so don't waste your time.." Are you telling me to prove it or what ?, please don't be biased, because there will be many people who see in this forum. Thanks.
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THE QURAN WAS IT ALLAH OR MUHAMMAD. IS THIS A GENEROUS GOD'S WORDS OR MUHAMMAD'S OWN WORDS.
YOU WANT IT SO GET IT. “This is what Allah says… ‘Now go and
strike the Infidel and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not
spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and
sheep, camel and donkey.” Surah 27:63
“Happy is he who repays the infidel for what they have done to us – he who seizes their infants and dashes them against the rocks.” – Surah 34:12
“So the man took his concubine and
sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout
the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back
to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay
there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened
the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay
his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the
threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer.
Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” – Surah 135:27
“A Wife, must submit to her husband as to Allah.” – Surah 5:22
“When a man sells his daughter as a
slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If
she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be
bought back again.” – Surah 21: 7-8 The Quran was not and is not the word of God which was written by Muhammad's so called advisors or so called Caliphs cause they haven't got a book so they concocted a false and corrupted book after Muhammad died and then they just did the same as Muhammad carry on with their cruelty of wars invations and war crimes Till today your so called jihadist is still wage war Muslims against Muslims I am not even talking about the war against non muslims. WHAT? WHAT?
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Posted: 30 October 2019 at 2:36am |
Peace maker wrote:
THE QURAN WAS IT ALLAH OR MUHAMMAD. IS THIS A GENEROUS GOD'S WORDS OR MUHAMMAD'S OWN WORDS.
YOU WANT IT SO GET IT. “This is what Allah says… ‘Now go and
strike the Infidel and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not
spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and
sheep, camel and donkey.” Surah 27:63 ... |
Where did you get this from? because this is not what Qur'an 27:63 says... Where did you fabricate this from?  Here is what Qur'an 27:63 says... Qur'an [27:63] Chapter (27) sūrat l-naml (The Ants)
Sahih International: Is He [not best] who guides you through the darknesses of the land and sea and who sends the winds as good tidings before His mercy? Is there a deity with Allah ? High is Allah above whatever they associate with Him. Pickthall: Is not He (best) Who guideth you in the darkness of the land and the sea, He Who sendeth the winds as heralds of His mercy? Is there any Allah beside Allah? High Exalted be Allah from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!
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“Happy is he who repays the infidel for what they have done to us – he who seizes their infants and dashes them against the rocks.” – Surah 34:12 ... |
Where did you get this from? because this is not what Qur'an 34:12 says... Where did you concoct this from? Here is what Qur'an 34:12 says... Qur'an [34:12] Chapter (34) sūrat saba (Sheba)
Sahih International: And to Solomon [We subjected] the wind - its morning [journey was that of] a month - and its afternoon [journey was that of] a month, and We made flow for him a spring of [liquid] copper. And among the jinn were those who worked for him by the permission of his Lord. And whoever deviated among them from Our command - We will make him taste of the punishment of the Blaze. Pickthall: And unto Solomon (We gave) the wind, whereof the morning course was a month's journey and the evening course a month's journey, and We caused the fount of copper to gush forth for him, and (We gave him) certain of the jinn who worked before him by permission of his Lord. And such of them as deviated from Our command, them We caused to taste the punishment of flaming Fire.
Peace maker wrote:
... “So the man took his concubine and
sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout
the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back
to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay
there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened
the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay
his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the
threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer.
Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” – Surah 135:27... |
Where did you get this from? because Qur'an 135:27 does not exist... there are only 114 Chapters in our Qur'an...
Peace maker wrote:
...“A Wife, must submit to her husband as to Allah.” – Surah 5:22 ... |
Where did you get this from? because this is not what Qur'an 5:22 says... Where did you invent this from? Here is what Qur'an 5:22 says... Qur'an [5:22] Chapter (5) sūrat l-māidah (The Table spread with Food)
Sahih International: They said, "O Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength, and indeed, we will never enter it until they leave it; but if they leave it, then we will enter." Pickthall: They said: O Moses! Lo! a giant people (dwell) therein and lo! we go not in till they go forth from thence. When they go forth from thence, then we will enter (not till then).
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...“When a man sells his daughter as a
slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If
she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be
bought back again.” – Surah 21: 7-8 ... |
Where did you get this from? because this is not what Qur'an Surah 21: 7-8 says... Where did you imagine/dream this from? Here is what Qur'an Surah 21: 7-8 says... Qur'an [21:7-8] Chapter (21) sūrat l-anbiyāa (The Prophets)
Sahih International: And We sent not before you, [O Muhammad], except men to whom We revealed [the message], so ask the people of the message if you do not know. Pickthall: And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men, whom We inspired. Ask the followers of the Reminder if ye know not? Chapter (21) sūrat l-anbiyāa (The Prophets)
Sahih International: And We did not make the prophets forms not eating food, nor were they immortal [on earth]. Pickthall: We gave them not bodies that would not eat food, nor were they immortals.
The (supposed) verses that you quoted in your previous post do not exist in our Qur'an!... they only exist in some islamophobe's twisted mind. I think that the least that we can expect of Anti-Islam critics on this forum... is to quote authentic verses from the Qur'an... not to attribute some hate speech from an Islamophobe rallye to the Qur'an... it's childish to say the least.
If you are interested to know and find out about Islam, then ask your questions... However if your intention is to quote false statements in order to mislead people, then that will tell us something about you... not about Islam.
I find it very fascinating how (your choice of) the verses that I have pasted above... are so relevant to someone like yourself. You must have far too much time on your hands... because this is a waste of valuable time.
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Posted: 30 October 2019 at 3:41am |
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
You have been influenced by the behavior of some Muslims so you have that understanding. Please remember, Islam does not teach radicalism. If the Prophet Muhammad was a radical person, it was impossible for his teachings to spread throughout the world. Here is the proof: Allah Says: "Then thanks to the grace of God you (Muhammad) are gentle to them. If you act hard and have a rough heart, surely they will distance themselves from your surroundings. Therefore forgive them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult with them in the matter. Then, if you have made up your mind, then put your trust in Allah. Truly, Allah loves those who tawakkal." (Ali 'Imran 3: 159)
As for what you wrote (3,151) means Allah tells us that those who associate Him will go to hell. And what you wrote (8.12) You do not know why that word of Allah revealed. That verse sent down to strengthen the Muslims Ummah during the Badr war when there were more opponents than the Muslims Ummah. And Allah helped the Prophet Muhammad and his army with the help of angels. It happened in the desert and rock hills. There is no civil society etc, only troops versus troops. You said: Muhammad boasted "I have been made victorious with terror" Bukhari 4:52:220 Where did the hadith come from? It was a political nuanced sentence so that everyone assumed that the Prophet Muhammad was arrogant and radical. The correct is: The Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam said: "This little army has won because of Allah's help." I have told in this forum before that some of the hadiths are authentic and some are fake, except the Qoran.
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You must make up your mind the hadith is not fake its sahih whuch means authentic and it proofs the QURAN SO LETS THEN STAY WITH QURAN AS YOU PLEASE.
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'). Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers. Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan)" The Arabic for the word "fight" is from qital, meaning physical combat. This is what the QURAN says in context.
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Explanation of the Quran 2: 244 and 2: 216 These verses explain that if we already know that there is no point in escaping death, like your country was attacked by another country, is it only the army that is obliged to fight? Or will all the people go to war?
When Islam will be destroyed, then Muslims must fight with all their wealth and souls to uphold the religion of the Prophets and Apostles on this earth (The religion of monotheism). And Allah is All-Hearing what people who don't want to fight (hypocritical Muslims) and those who are willing to fight (Mujahid). Then the good will be rewarded with kindness. Conversely, crime will also be rewarded with crime.
You said: (Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.) Answer: I want to ask you: did you witness what happened at that time? If you say it like that, you like assume: 1. God has sided with the wrong person. 2. You seem to know better than historians. 3. Your statement is not in accordance with the word of Allah in the Quran 3:159
Explanation of the Quran (3:56) It's true like that. It's the same if you oppose many laws that apply in your Country, what happens to you? Therefore, the Prophet Muhammad invited humanity to follow the rules of Allah, God of all the Prophets, in order to get salvation including salvation for the hereafter.
Explanation of the Quran (3: 151) Allah told to worship only to Him as all the Prophets and Apostles worship only to Him. And that fear will be felt when someone is dying where the door to repentance has been closed.
Explanation of the Quran (4:74) This verse contains two meanings, namely to fight with weapons for the sake of upholding the religion of Allah (Tawhid) and or fight without weapons, for example: teaching useful knowledge, helping the poor, fighting against lust etc. That also includes jihad or qital without weapons.
You said: (The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.)
Answer: Can you imagine if God told all Muslims to carry out suicide bombings, it would be against Quran 4: 29, 30.
Explanation of the Quran (4:76) Yes, Satan is a real enemy of man, so Satan will try to persuade and fight those who believe in Allah until success. (Like the devil's request when he will be sent down to earth.)
Now it's my turn to ask you. Why haven't you answered my question in the article: (Wants a proof that the Quran is God's word !!) This is my question (Oct. 13, 2019) Peace maker, What do you mean: "You won't be able to proof to me so don't waste your time.." Are you telling me to prove it or what ?, please don't be biased, because there will be many people who see in this forum. Thanks.
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THE QURAN WAS IT ALLAH OR MUHAMMAD. IS THIS A GENEROUS GOD'S WORDS OR MUHAMMAD'S OWN WORDS.
YOU WANT IT SO GET IT. “This is what Allah says… ‘Now go and
strike the Infidel and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not
spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and
sheep, camel and donkey.” Surah 27:63
“Happy is he who repays the infidel for what they have done to us – he who seizes their infants and dashes them against the rocks.” – Surah 34:12
“So the man took his concubine and
sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout
the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back
to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay
there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened
the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay
his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the
threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer.
Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” – Surah 135:27
“A Wife, must submit to her husband as to Allah.” – Surah 5:22
“When a man sells his daughter as a
slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If
she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be
bought back again.” – Surah 21: 7-8 The Quran was not and is not the word of God which was written by Muhammad's so called advisors or so called Caliphs cause they haven't got a book so they concocted a false and corrupted book after Muhammad died and then they just did the same as Muhammad carry on with their cruelty of wars invations and war crimes Till today your so called jihadist is still wage war Muslims against Muslims I am not even talking about the war against non muslims. WHAT? WHAT?
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Be calm down sir, no need to tone like angry, I can see it. Remember, the devil will easily come to the hearts of people who are angry.
I want to ask you, where do you find those surahs ? For you to know that all the contains are wrong. The right contents are what MIAW explained to you.
I ask you what the name of the publisher of the Quran that you read, or whether the cover reads "Al Furqan Al Haq" (The True Furqan) ? published around 2005. The contents of such fake Quran are very contrary to the Quran which is generally used by Muslims. If you want to get the correct Quran contents, come to the Mosque in your area. There are still people who want to destroy the religion of Allah on this earth. But I am not worried because Allah will preserve its authenticity and even Allah will add to its light.
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