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Not withstanding what labels they put on themselves, when the hear the truth they would say that we believe in it and have already been submitter to Allah's will
 
28:53  وَإِذَا يُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْهِمْ قَالُوا آمَنَّا بِهِ إِنَّهُ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّنَا إِنَّا كُنَّا مِن قَبْلِهِ مُسْلِمِينَ
 
28:53  And when it is recited to them, they say. "We believe therein, for it is the Truth from our Lord. indeed we have been Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will) from before this.
 
3:52  فَلَمَّا £َحَسَّ عِيسَىٰ مِنْهُمُ الْكُفْرَ قَالَ مَنْ £َنصَارِي إِلَى اللَّهِ ۖ قَالَ الْحَوَارِيُّونَ نَحْنُ £َنصَارُ اللَّهِ آمَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَاشْهَدْ بِ£َنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ
3:52  When ESSA(Jesus) realized unbelief on their part he said "who will be my helpers to God". Said the companions (disciples). "we are God`s helpers. We believe In God, and you bear witness that we are MUSLIMS(submitters)".
 
3:84  Say we believe in Allah and what is revealed on us and what was revealed on Ibraheem and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoob and tribes and what was given to Moosa, Essa and the prophets is from their Lord. We do not make distinction between anyone from it and for Him we are Muslims / submitters.
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Originally posted by ajzhyder ajzhyder wrote:

Thanks for the good inputs.
However, a question comes to mind that, why God would send different prophets with different religions. Shouldn't God's intended mes-sage to mankind remain the same through-out? Is it possible that God sent all messengers with one intended message, but after a Messenger left the world, the villains of religions, hid the real message and put forth a distorted form of the real teachings.


Well, God DID NOT send different prophets with different religions. All prophets carried the same basic fundamental message from Him – the Lord, your God, is ONE and submit to His Will.

Religions originated from man’s differing understanding of who God is. It’s like the story of the six blind men and the elephant – one said the elephant is like a wall because he was touching the body of the elephant, the other one said the elephant is like a leaf because he was touching the ear of the elephant, still the other one said the elephant is like a rope because he was holding the tail of the elephant and so on and yet, these 6 blind men are describing the one and same elephant. Only those who are not blind can see the true description of the elephant. Likewise, only those who are ‘not blind’ can truly ‘see’ the teachings of the prophets and understand who God is and what He expects out of us.
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Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by JerryMyers JerryMyers wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Let me help you out here Abram did not have a religion he had a relationship with God.
If Abram was a muslim then all the jews must be muslims and Isreal been an islamic state, and the world would have already been dominated by muslims then there wouldn't be the need of any other prophet after Abram.


You are right – there’s no such thing as ‘a religion’ or ‘a Muslim’ or ‘a Christian’ in the time of Abraham or Jesus – what they had was a relationship with God.

However, Islam by definition means submission to the Will of God and a Muslim is one who do and submit to the Will of God. In other words, the name does not define who you are, BUT, the action does. So when Jesus said “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” – Matthew 7:21, he’s actually saying only the Muslims (those who do the Will of God) will enter the kingdom of heaven.

Did Abraham and Jesus do and submit themselves to the Will of God ? Yes, they did, so, by definition, they are Muslims.


 
Well then Muhammad didn't hear that Christians,Jews.Nabteans and Sabaens said to him that were already muslims.


He don't have to hear from them – he knows those who believe in the true oneness of God and do/submit to the Will of God are Muslims.
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Originally posted by JerryMyers JerryMyers wrote:

Originally posted by ajzhyder ajzhyder wrote:

Thanks for the good inputs.
However, a question comes to mind that, why God would send different prophets with different religions. Shouldn't God's intended mes-sage to mankind remain the same through-out? Is it possible that God sent all messengers with one intended message, but after a Messenger left the world, the villains of religions, hid the real message and put forth a distorted form of the real teachings.


Well, God DID NOT send different prophets with different religions. All prophets carried the same basic fundamental message from Him – the Lord, your God, is ONE and submit to His Will.

Religions originated from man’s differing understanding of who God is. It’s like the story of the six blind men and the elephant – one said the elephant is like a wall because he was touching the body of the elephant, the other one said the elephant is like a leaf because he was touching the ear of the elephant, still the other one said the elephant is like a rope because he was holding the tail of the elephant and so on and yet, these 6 blind men are describing the one and same elephant. Only those who are not blind can see the true description of the elephant. Likewise, only those who are ‘not blind’ can truly ‘see’ the teachings of the prophets and understand who God is and what He expects out of us.


Do you consider the Aztec religion to be along the same lines as your religion at all?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_religion

Quote The Aztec religion is the Mesoamerican religion of the Aztecs. Like other Mesoamerican religions, it had elements of human sacrifice in connection with a large number of religious festivals which were held according to patterns of the Aztec calendar. Polytheistic in its theology, the religion recognized a large and ever increasing pantheon of gods and goddesses; the Aztecs would often incorporate deities whose cults came from other geographic regions or peoples into their own religious practice.
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Oneness of God is alright, but which god, even pagans can be monotheistic doesn’t necessarily make it right. Muslims do not follow the God of Abraham, Muslims by definition submit to the will of Allah (an Arab god of Pagan origins) and to his prophet Mohammed. Please tell me where any of the prophets described the word Islam which transcribes to the Hebrew word האסלאם. Anyone can claim to submit to any god, by that definition Mani and Bahá'u'lláh are also Islamic prophets.
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God is the creator of the Universe and the sustainer of it. The God who Muslims serve, is definitely the God of Abraham. Had it not been so, in Quran, God would not have named His religion, ‘the religion of Abraham’. See link to post on below site:

https://topicsfromquran.wordpress.com

In Quran, we come to know about the God who created the Heavens and Earth and He put every thing in there for sustenance of his creations. He sent His Prophets along with His Book for the guidance of mankind. He sent Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron, Zakariya, John, Jesus and Elias, Isma'il , Elisha, Jonas, and Lot and others. (6:81-88). Those people who received the message of God and understood it, will be judged by Him and will be held accountable for their deeds in the world.

There could be a lot of difference between perception and reality about God and Mohammad. If we assume that Quran was written by Mohammad instead of being revealed from God , then main purpose of Mohammad should have been to obtain glory for himself by pretending a prophet of God. However, we find in reading the Quran that the focus is on God alone, not on Mohammad. Mohammad is mentioned even far less times in Quran than other messengers e.g Mooses, Abraham and Jesus. Name of Mohammad is mentioned only a miniscule amount of time. Had Mohammad been the personality type that the people believe him to be and he be after false glory, he would have mentioned himself the most in Quran. Instead we find word Mohammad mentioned only 4 times in Quran and word Ahmed as 1 time.

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Originally posted by Al Masihi Al Masihi wrote:

Oneness of God is alright, but which god, even pagans can be monotheistic doesn’t necessarily make it right.


Pagans are not monotheistic, pagans are polytheistic.

Originally posted by Al Masihi Al Masihi wrote:

Muslims do not follow the God of Abraham, Muslims by definition submit to the will of Allah (an Arab god of Pagan origins) and to his prophet Mohammed.


Muslims do not submit to the will of the Prophet, Muslims only submit to the Will of God Almighty. In contrast, altho’ they may not admit it, Christians do not submit to the Will of God but, they submit to the will of Jesus Christ whom they claim to be equal to God Himself.

I suggest you stop reading anti-Islamic materials and read the Quran instead to understand Islam, just as I would advise anyone to read the Bible to understand Christianity. Before accusing other faiths of paganism, you should google your own Christianity faith relationship with paganism first.

Originally posted by Al Masihi Al Masihi wrote:

Please tell me where any of the prophets described the word Islam which transcribes to the Hebrew word האסלאם.


As I have said, the word or the name is not important, but, what the word or name represent does. Again, by definition, Islam means total submission to the Will of God Almighty and a Muslim, by definition, is one who do and submit to the Will of God. The terms 'Islam' and 'Muslim' might not have existed in the times of Jesus, but do you think Jesus did not do and submit to the Will of God ??

Originally posted by Al Masihi Al Masihi wrote:

Anyone can claim to submit to any god, by that definition Mani and Bahá'u'lláh are also Islamic prophets.


Mani and Bahá'u'lláh are NOT Islamic prophets. Again, you should read the Quran first before making such statements. Do you even understand what true Oneness of God means ?? I can tell you now, a ‘3-in-1’ God IS NOT the definition of true Oneness of God.
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