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Wrong Zoroastrianism is considered Monotheistic so is Hinduism in a way, yet all are pagan religions. Yeah I’ve researched all Islamic claims of Christianity habeing pagan roots in my days as a Muslim, I challenge you to bring me proofs of paganism that I cannot refute. Baha’i and Mani submitted to the will to Hod weren’t they Muslims? Islam doesn’t mean total submission to God, the only way to actually enter Islam is not to just swear God is one, but also swear mohammed is his prophet. To enter Islam you cannot just swear God is one without swearing Mohammed’s prophethood. Not to mention you mention his name in every prayer and have to continuously say peace be upon him when ever his name is mentioned. Jesus did the will of the God the Father not a pagan god of Arabia. On the contrary the name matters since all the prophets were Muslims, I’ll now ask for historical proof that Islam isn’t just Judeo-Christian mythology mixed with pagan practices and Zoroastrian theology, also the Quran mentions the prophets were Muslims and said la ilah ila Allah and were Muslims, the website of Osama Abdullah also says the prophets preached in Arabic. Can you give me verses in the Bible where the prophets were saying la ilah ila Allah wa Mohammed rasul Allah in those clear words, since your saying they were Muslims and Muslims usually always say these words, and your talking about the prophets so if this is what they were preaching then why is there no mention of it until an Arab pagan comes way after and claims prophethood?
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Originally posted by JerryMyers JerryMyers wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by JerryMyers JerryMyers wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Let me help you out here Abram did not have a religion he had a relationship with God.
If Abram was a muslim then all the jews must be muslims and Isreal been an islamic state, and the world would have already been dominated by muslims then there wouldn't be the need of any other prophet after Abram.


You are right – there’s no such thing as ‘a religion’ or ‘a Muslim’ or ‘a Christian’ in the time of Abraham or Jesus – what they had was a relationship with God.

However, Islam by definition means submission to the Will of God and a Muslim is one who do and submit to the Will of God. In other words, the name does not define who you are, BUT, the action does. So when Jesus said “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” – Matthew 7:21, he’s actually saying only the Muslims (those who do the Will of God) will enter the kingdom of heaven.

Did Abraham and Jesus do and submit themselves to the Will of God ? Yes, they did, so, by definition, they are Muslims.


 
Well then Muhammad didn't hear that Christians,Jews.Nabteans and Sabaens said to him that were already muslims.


He don't have to hear from them – he knows those who believe in the true oneness of God and do/submit to the Will of God are Muslims.
 
I thought Muhammad was thee founder of islam sorry.
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Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by JerryMyers JerryMyers wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by JerryMyers JerryMyers wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Let me help you out here Abram did not have a religion he had a relationship with God.
If Abram was a muslim then all the jews must be muslims and Isreal been an islamic state, and the world would have already been dominated by muslims then there wouldn't be the need of any other prophet after Abram.


You are right – there’s no such thing as ‘a religion’ or ‘a Muslim’ or ‘a Christian’ in the time of Abraham or Jesus – what they had was a relationship with God.

However, Islam by definition means submission to the Will of God and a Muslim is one who do and submit to the Will of God. In other words, the name does not define who you are, BUT, the action does. So when Jesus said “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” – Matthew 7:21, he’s actually saying only the Muslims (those who do the Will of God) will enter the kingdom of heaven.

Did Abraham and Jesus do and submit themselves to the Will of God ? Yes, they did, so, by definition, they are Muslims.


 
Well then Muhammad didn't hear that Christians,Jews.Nabteans and Sabaens said to him that were already muslims.


He don't have to hear from them – he knows those who believe in the true oneness of God and do/submit to the Will of God are Muslims.
 
I thought Muhammad was thee founder of islam sorry.

Prophet Muhammad is not the founder of Islam, but he is the recipient of the teachings of Islam (the Tawheed religion) ie worship only to one God, just as the religion was given to all Prophets before.

 إِنَّ هٰذِهِۦٓ £ُمَّتُكُمْ £ُمَّةً وٰحِدَةً وَ£َنَا۠ رَبُّكُمْ فَاعْبُدُونِ ﴿ال£نبياء:٩٢

“Verily, this Tauheed religion is one religion, and I am your Lord, so worship Me (Alone). – (Al Anbiya 21:92)

 وَمَآ £َرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا نُوحِىٓ إِلَيْهِ £َنَّهُۥ لَآ إِلٰهَ إِلَّآ £َنَا۠ فَاعْبُدُونِ ﴿ال£نبياء:٢٥

“And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad), but We revealed to him: La ilaha illa ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I (Allah), so worship Me (Alone and none else).” (Al Anbiya 21:25)

The word 'Islam' comes from the word "Aslama" which is surrendered to Allah, and from the word Salima "that is to obtain salvation from Allah. Thus Islam implies surrender to Allah, and who is worshiped only Allah in order to obtain salvation, both in the world and in the hereafter. And those who practice Islam are called Muslims or people of Islam. Here is some evidence that the Prophets were Muslims:

Prophet Ibrahim and Prophet Ya'qub.

 وَوَصَّىٰ بِهَآ إِبْرٰهِيْمُ بَنِيهِ وَيَعْقُوبُ يٰبَنِىَّ إِنَّ اللهَ اصْطَفَىٰ لَكُمُ الدِّينَ فَلَا تَمُوتُنَّ إِلَّا وَ£َنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ :١£٢

“And this (submission to Allah, Islam) was enjoined by Ibrahim (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya’qub (Jacob) (saying: ‘O my sons! Allah has chosen for you the true religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam.” (Al Baqarah 2:132)

Prophet Noah has asked his people to become Muslims, here is the authentic proof.

 فَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَمَا سَ£َلْتُكُم مِّنْ £َجْرٍ ۖ إِنْ £َجْرِىَ إِلَّا عَلَى اللهِ ۖ وَ£ُمِرْتُ £َنْ £َكُونَ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ ﴿يونس:٧٢

“But if you turn away from accepting my doctrine of Islamic Monotheism, then no reward have I asked of you, my reward is only from Allah, and I have been commanded to be of the Muslims.” (Yunus 10:72)

Prophet Moses:

 وَقَالَ مُوسَىٰ يٰقَوْمِ إِن كُنتُمْ ءَامَنتُم بِاللهِ فَعَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلُوٓا۟ إِن كُنتُم مُّسْلِمِينَ ﴿يونس:٨٤

“And Moses said: O my people! If you have believed in Allah, then put your trust in Him if you are Muslims.”

(Yunus 10:84)

Prophet Isa (Jesus):

 وَقَالَ الْمَسِيحُ يٰبَنِىٓ إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ اعْبُدُوا۟ اللهَ رَبِّى وَرَبَّكُمْ ۖ إِنَّهُۥ مَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللهِ فَقَدْ حَرَّمَ اللهُ عَلَيْهِ الْجَنَّةَ وَمَ£ْوَىٰهُ النَّارُ ۖ وَمَا لِلظّٰلِمِينَ مِنْ £َنصَارٍ ﴿المائدة:٧٢

“And Jesus said: ‘O Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, the Allah has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the wrong-doers there are no helpers.” (Al Maidah 5:72)

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