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    Posted: 01 April 2018 at 7:55am
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I decided to repost this info on a new thread.

THE COMFORTER

 

“The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)…But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.” (Quran. 3:19)

“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will (Islam) be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”(Matthew 6:9)

The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). (Ash-Shura 42:13)

It also mentioned in Quran 4:163:

We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. 64Of some messengers We have already told thee the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses Allah spoke direct;-. (An-Nisa' 4:163-64)

 

TWO PERSONALITY

 (1John.2: 1)  “...we have an “advocate (comforter)” with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous.”

http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1jo+2:1&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1

 

(John14: 26) “but the comforter which is the holy ghost...”

http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A26&section=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A26&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14

 

ONE IN HEAVEN

(John 14:16) “…I will pray to the father, and he” shall give you another comforter that he may abide with you for ever.

(John 16:7) “Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is expedient for you that I go for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you!”

In heaven:

(John 3: 13 kjv) “and no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is ‘in’ heaven.”

Jesus pbuh was the Son of man “ON” earth and he spoke about “another” Son of man which is “IN” heaven. (Greek: See page 7)

 

ONE THAT DWELL WITH YOU

(John14: 16-17) 17even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you.

(John14: 26)  “But the comforter which is the holy ghost...”

(John 1:32)  I saw the spirit descending from heaven... and abode upon him.

(Al-Maa'idah 5:110) “…Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah and his word (be), which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from him (roohun minhu)

(Qur’an 4: 171); o! Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember my favour to you and to your mother when i supported you with rooh ul qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)].”

(John. 20:21-22)...as my father hath sent me, even so I send you (the disciple) and  when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, received ye the holy ghost.”

(Qur’an 58:22) thou wilt not find any people who believe in allah and the last day, loving those who oppose allah and his messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. for such he has written faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from himself (roohin-minhu)...”

 

TRUE PROPHER WITH TRUE SPIRIT:

Speak hear:

(John 16:13) “…for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear

Does spirit speak and hear?

(1John 4:1-2) “Beloved, believes not every spirit, but tries the spirits whether they are of god because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 hereby know ye the spirit of god: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of god: “because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

(Quran 7:157) "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;-

 

SIN RIGHTEOUS:

(John.16:8).  “And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of SIN, and of RIGHTEOUSNESS, and of judgment.”

 (Quran 7:157) "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.

(Q. 53:3-5) Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. he was taught by one Mighty in Power.

(Q. 29:48) And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted.

(Q. 53:3-5) Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power.


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JUDGMENT

(John.16:8). “And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of JUDGMENT.”

(Quran 7:157) "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.

(Isaiah 42:1-4) “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth JUDGMENT TO THE GENTILE.” 3A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax he shall he not quench: he shall bring forth Judgment unto truth. 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has SET JUDGMENT IN THE EARTH: and the isles shall wait for HIS LAW. (Isaiah 42:1-4)

(Isaiah 42:9-10)  “Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you.”(Isaiah 42:9)10-Sing unto the Lord a new song and his praise from the end of the earth… (Isaiah 42:10) 

(Quran. 21:1-2) Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away. 2Never comes (aught) to them of a renewed message from their Lord, but they listen to it as in jest,

(Isaiah 42:11) 11-Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the village that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock, let them shout from the top of the mountains.

(Genesis 25:13) “And these are the names of the son Ishmael, by their names according to their generations: the first born of Ishmael, Nebajoth…and Kedar...”

 (Genesis 49:10) “The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shi-loh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people.”

(Rev. 14:6-7) “And I saw another angel fly in the mid of Heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nations, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying... fear God and give glory to him FOR JUDGMENT IS COME.”

(Q. 25:1) “Blessed is He who sent down the CRITERION (OF JUDGMENT between right and wrong, i.e. the Qur’an) to his slave [Muhammad (pbuh)] that he may be a Warner to the ‘Alamin (mankind and jinn).”

(Q. 13:37) “Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a JUDGMENT OF AUTHORITY in Arabic”

(Qur’an 2:185) “Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and JUDGMENT (between right and wrong)”.

(Isaiah 28:2) “Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty water overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.”

(Isaiah 28:25) 26for his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him.

(John 16:13) “…for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear

(Q. 53:3-5) Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one Mighty in Power.

(Isaiah 28:17) 17JUDGMENTS also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of LIES. And the water (people and multitude) shall overflow the hiding place.

(Q. 33:21) “Ye have indeed in the Apostle of God a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in God and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of God.”

(Isaiah 28:7-9) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lip another tongue will he speak to this people.

 (Jude 1:14-15) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To execute JUDGMENT UPON ALL, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

(Qur’an 34:28)We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind…but most of mankind know not.”. 

THE ADVENT OF MUHAMMAD PBUH IN DEUTERONOMY 33: “And he [Moses (pbuh) said: the Lord came from Sinai, and rose from Sir unto them; He shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with “ten thousand Saints”: from his right hand went a “fiery Law” for them.” (Duet. 33:2)

(Jude 1:14-15) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To EXECUTE JUDGMENT UPON ALL, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

(Quran 7:157) "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.

THE ADVENT OF MUHAMMAD PBUH IN HABAKKUK 3: …And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. He stood and measured the earth…he beheld and drove asunder the nations…His way are everlasting…at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the anointed” (Habakkuk. 3:3-13(KJV))

(Genesis 21:21).AND HE [ISHMAEL PBUH] DWELT IN THE WILDERNESS OF PARAN

 

THE ADVENT OF MUHAMMAD IN REVELATION 10:

And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven. 2-And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth. 3-And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voice. 4-And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those things which the seven thunder utters, and write them not.” Rev.10:1-4

“But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound: the mystery of God should finish as he declared to his servants the prophets. (Rev. 10:7)

 Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q. 17:81)

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THE ADVENT OF MUHAMMAD PBUH IN ISAIAH 29:

12And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Isaiah 29:12 KJV)

1)        https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/29/1/t_conc_708012

2)        https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/isaiah/29/

 

Read: In the name of thy Lord who created. Created man from a clot. Read: and thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Who taught by the pen, Taught man which he knew not. (Q. 96:1-5)

Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mention in their own (Scriptures), In the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Q. 7:157).

And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q. 29:48)

Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power. (Q. 53:3-5)

(Isaiah 29:14) “Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.”

(Matt.21:42) Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes.

 “Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” (Matt. 21:43)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3xhwukgzc8i6xd/hajj.JPG?dl=0

 

ANOTHER MESSAGE TO COME:

I must preach kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent" (Luke 4:43 NKJV)

“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”(Matthew 6:9-10)

“The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)…But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.” (Quran. 3:19)

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Q. 5:3)

And he said, whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? (Mark 4:30)

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, the kingdom of heaven is like toa grain of mustard seed”, which “A MAN” took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh “a tree”, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 13:31-32)

Now the parable is this: The “seed” is the “word of God”. (Luke 8:11)

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…“Now comes” SALVATION and strength, and THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD…” (Rev. 12:5-10)

“This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.” (Qur. 10:37)

…So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhammad (S) and the message he brought]. (Q.3:50)

Verily this Qur’an doith guide to that which is most right. (Q. 17:9)

“O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you…” (Q. 4:47)

People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.” (Q. 5:15)

 Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q. 17:81)

 

The warning from Allah the Most High, He said:

“Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,” (Q. 2:159)

Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit, - they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty. (Q. 2:174)

 

On the Day of Judgment:

Then would those who are followed clear themselves of those who follow (them) : They would see the penalty, and all relations between them would be cut off. And those who followed would say: "If only We had one more chance, We would clear ourselves of them, as they have cleared themselves of us." Thus will Allah show them (The fruits of) their deeds as (nothing but) regrets. Nor will there be a way for them out of the Fire. (Qur. 2:162-166)

Allah the Most High informs us:

There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, “That is from Allah,” But it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Q. 3:78)

·                     Ye People of the Book! Why do you mix truth with falsehood, and conceal the truth, while ye have knowledge. (Q. 3:71)

·                     People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.” (Q. 5:15)

·                     …So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhamed (S) and the message he brought]. (Q. 3:50)

·                     Verily this Qur’an doith guide to that which is most right. (Q.17:9)

·                     Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the truth that hath come to thee… (Q. 5:47-48)

·                     Say: “O People of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that comes to us and that which came before (us)…?” (Q. 5:59)

Allah the Most High instructs us:

“Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His path, and who receive guidance.” (Q. 16:125)

It is He (God Almighty) who has sent His Messenger [Muhamed (S)] with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) that He may make it prevail over all religions and enough is Allah for a witness. (Q. 48:28)

Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Q. 39:53-54) 

"Turn ye to our Lord (in repentance) and bow to His (Will), before the Penalty comes on you: after that ye shall not be helped. (Qur. 39:054)

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  1. In John 14:16, the passage used by the Muslims themselves, it writes that the comforter shall ABIDE WITH YOU FOREVER. Also in John 16 verses 12-14, again, the very passages used by the Muslims, Jesus said that this spirit of truth will teach YOU all things and guide YOU unto all truth. Now, although applicable to us as well, Jesus was addressing HIS DISCIPLES. But the problem is, Muhammad wasn’t born until the year 570 AD. So how could the comforter be Muhammad if Jesus said that it would be WITH the disciples, FOREVER? Did Muhammad have a pre-existence? And is Muhammad eternal? Saying such things about any prophet serves as shirk within Islam. In John 15:26 and 16:17, again, the very passages utilized by the Muslim community, Jesus said that HE will send the comforter. Now, if the comforter was the last and final prophet, this would be the same as equating Jesus to God, which is Islam’s greatest sin, because the one who sends prophets into the world is NOT man, but God alone. In the Greek, Holy Ghost is Pnevma to agion or agio pnevmato. The word Agion means holy. In other words, this coming being is going to be sinless and pure. Yet, Muhammad is described as a sinner in surah 40:55, 48:2, and 47:19.
  2. Hence, If Muhammad was the coming comforter spoken of by Jesus, then Muhammad must have been eternal, pre-existent, sinless, and Jesus must have been the one who sent him. Believing in such things goes against the Quran itself.

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Originally posted by Al Masihi Al Masihi wrote:

In John 14:16, the passage used by the Muslims themselves, it writes that the comforter shall ABIDE WITH YOU FOREVER. Also in John 16 verses 12-14, again, the very passages used by the Muslims, Jesus said that this spirit of truth will teach YOU all things and guide YOU unto all truth. Now, although applicable to us as well, Jesus was addressing HIS DISCIPLES. But the problem is, Muhammad wasn’t born until the year 570 AD. So how could the comforter be Muhammad if Jesus said that it would be WITH the disciples, FOREVER? Did Muhammad have a pre-existence? And is Muhammad eternal? Saying such things about any prophet serves as shirk within Islam.


Yes, Jesus was addressing the disciples, BUT, the ‘YOU’ was used not only to address the disciples present at that time, BUT it was also used as a general ‘YOU', meaning a reference to the future generations too. It’s the same when God gave the Ten Commandments to Moses in which was written, among others, ‘You shall not steal’ which obviously it does mean a commandment to Moses only, but, the general ‘YOU’ also mean to the future generations as well.

In fact, if we were to believe ALL of Jesus’ sayings are only meant for the people of his times only, then, Christian today should ignore all of Jesus' sayings, as none of his words should be meant for the Christians of today.


Originally posted by Al Masihi Al Masihi wrote:

In John 15:26 and 16:17, again, the very passages utilized by the Muslim community, Jesus said that HE will send the comforter. Now, if the comforter was the last and final prophet, this would be the same as equating Jesus to God, which is Islam’s greatest sin, because the one who sends prophets into the world is NOT man, but God alone. In the Greek, Holy Ghost is Pnevma to agion or agio pnevmato. The word Agion means holy. In other words, this coming being is going to be sinless and pure. Yet, Muhammad is described as a sinner in surah 40:55, 48:2, and 47:19.

Hence, If Muhammad was the coming comforter spoken of by Jesus, then Muhammad must have been eternal, pre-existent, sinless, and Jesus must have been the one who sent him. Believing in such things goes against the Quran itself.


Actually, Jesus did not really mean to say he will send the Comforter. In an earlier passage, Jesus said “And I will ask the Father and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever“ – John 14:16. In other words, Jesus was saying that he WILL ASK God to (and NOT him who will) send another Advocate/Comforter to the world. Jesus’ usage of “I will send” is the same as someone who say “Trump built the Trump’s Tower” or “Shah Jahan built the Taj Mahal”, which obviously we know they did not build those buildings with their own hands and sweats, but, because they originated the ideas, we said they built those buildings. Likewise, because Jesus said he will ASK GOD to send another Comforter to the world, he therefore, acknowledged indirectly it was him who will send the Comforter.

So, no, Muhammad is not eternal or have a pre-existent life, BUT, he was the Comforter who God had sent to the world as promised by Jesus to his disciples.
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Jesus also says he will go up to the father and send the comforter, therefore claiming to be equal with God. We distinguish between commandments and other verses when Jesus was addressing people at his time. "You" means the apostles at his time, according to the Quran no one can send the comforter except God. 

The Comforter would come in the life time of Christ's disciples; in fact before they depart Jerusalem (Acts 1:4-5, John 16:7)------Prophet Muhammad was born long after the Comforter must have come, i.e. 500 years later.

(ii). The Comforter is not a physical being and can't be seen ordinarily (John 14:17)-------Prophet Muhammad was a physical being and ordinarily visible.

(iii). The Comforter would come from Heaven directly from God (John 15:26)--------Prophet Muhammad, with due respect, was ordinarily born in this World to pagan parents; grew up ordinarily, became an employed trader etc before he eventually became the Prophet of Islam.

(iv). The Comforter, according to Jesus himself, was that Holy Spirit which his disciples Knew because he (the Spirit) was with them and was going to dwell in their mind (14:17)------------Muhammad never leaved with Christ's disciples and he was a physical being who did not dwell in the mind.

(v). The Comforter would be with Christ's disciples and, of course the subsequent faithful for ever (John 14:16)----------Muhammad has died long ago allegedly of food poisoning.

(vi) As Jesus promised, the Comforter came to the disciples before they departed Jerusalem (Acts 2:3-4)---------Like I said earlier, Muhammad came a distant 6 generations later.

Mohammed is not the comforter. Also did the comforter came to glorify Jesus, Mohammed did not claim to be sent by Jesus nor glorify him, he claim to glorify Allah.
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Originally posted by JerryMyers JerryMyers wrote:

Originally posted by Al Masihi Al Masihi wrote:

In John 14:16, the passage used by the Muslims themselves, it writes that the comforter shall ABIDE WITH YOU FOREVER. Also in John 16 verses 12-14, again, the very passages used by the Muslims, Jesus said that this spirit of truth will teach YOU all things and guide YOU unto all truth. Now, although applicable to us as well, Jesus was addressing HIS DISCIPLES. But the problem is, Muhammad wasn’t born until the year 570 AD. So how could the comforter be Muhammad if Jesus said that it would be WITH the disciples, FOREVER? Did Muhammad have a pre-existence? And is Muhammad eternal? Saying such things about any prophet serves as shirk within Islam.


Yes, Jesus was addressing the disciples, BUT, the ‘YOU’ was used not only to address the disciples present at that time, BUT it was also used as a general ‘YOU', meaning a reference to the future generations too. It’s the same when God gave the Ten Commandments to Moses in which was written, among others, ‘You shall not steal’ which obviously it does mean a commandment to Moses only, but, the general ‘YOU’ also mean to the future generations as well.

In fact, if we were to believe ALL of Jesus’ sayings are only meant for the people of his times only, then, Christian today should ignore all of Jesus' sayings, as none of his words should be meant for the Christians of today.


Originally posted by Al Masihi Al Masihi wrote:

In John 15:26 and 16:17, again, the very passages utilized by the Muslim community, Jesus said that HE will send the comforter. Now, if the comforter was the last and final prophet, this would be the same as equating Jesus to God, which is Islam’s greatest sin, because the one who sends prophets into the world is NOT man, but God alone. In the Greek, Holy Ghost is Pnevma to agion or agio pnevmato. The word Agion means holy. In other words, this coming being is going to be sinless and pure. Yet, Muhammad is described as a sinner in surah 40:55, 48:2, and 47:19.

Hence, If Muhammad was the coming comforter spoken of by Jesus, then Muhammad must have been eternal, pre-existent, sinless, and Jesus must have been the one who sent him. Believing in such things goes against the Quran itself.


Actually, Jesus did not really mean to say he will send the Comforter. In an earlier passage, Jesus said “And I will ask the Father and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever“ – John 14:16. In other words, Jesus was saying that he WILL ASK God to (and NOT him who will) send another Advocate/Comforter to the world. Jesus’ usage of “I will send” is the same as someone who say “Trump built the Trump’s Tower” or “Shah Jahan built the Taj Mahal”, which obviously we know they did not build those buildings with their own hands and sweats, but, because they originated the ideas, we said they built those buildings. Likewise, because Jesus said he will ASK GOD to send another Comforter to the world, he therefore, acknowledged indirectly it was him who will send the Comforter.

So, no, Muhammad is not eternal or have a pre-existent life, BUT, he was the Comforter who God had sent to the world as promised by Jesus to his disciples.
 
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So, no, Muhammad is not eternal or have a pre-existent life, BUT, he was the Comforter who God had sent to the world as promised by Jesus to his disciples.
 
Will he be with us forever?
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