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Tim the plumber
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What are you talking about? The divergence of subpopulations from the rest is exactly what the idea of evolution is about. It explains it extremely well. The study of how diseases change and evolve and thus we get anti-biotic resistant bugs is all about evolution. http://uk.businessinsider.com/examples-of-evolution-happening-right-now-2015-2?r=US&IR=T#bedbugs-are-becoming-a-new-species-of-nightmare-insects-1 |
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airmano
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@David Römer
sorry for being so stubborn, but can I ask you to quote the line(s) &page from "Biology" by Campbell and Reece you are referring to ? Thanks ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Further down you cite Stephen Gould in support of your claim "that human can not have evolved from animals": Catholics could believe whatever science determined about the evolution of the human body, so long as they accepted that, at some time of his choosing, God had infused the soul into such a creature. I also knew that I had no problem with this statement, for whatever my private beliefs about souls, science cannot touch such a subject and therefore cannot be threatened by any theological position on such a legitimately and intrinsically religious issue. (13th paragraph, Stephen Jay Gould, Natural History, March 1997). I can not find anything supportive for your theory in these lines. He simply says: Science doesn't care about souls [since it is a purely hypothetical, non measurable/detectable quantity]. S. Gould was however a strong defender of the theory of evolution and a fierce opponent of creationism. He would sure have subscribed to the idea that we evolved from animals and that we share a close common ancestor with the apes, (i.e. the bonobos) ! Airmano
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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davidroemer
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The quotation from Campbell and Reece is on page 776 in the fourth edition.
The Catholic Church does not teach that human beings "have" souls. The Catholic Church teaches that human beings are superior to animals because we have free will. This is why slavery is illegal but it is okay to own animals. But free will is not a scientific concept. Gould is saying biologists are not interested in what free will is and why human beings have free will.
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DavidC
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Evolution explains varietal subpopulation development well. Species subpopulations are more difficult, and often involve peculiar definitions of a species. i.e. Ring species. The development of new structures by evolution postulates a gradual, linear change where every step is beneficial to adaptation and reproduction. There is a minimal level of complexity needed before an eye can have any useful evolutionary function. |
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Tim the plumber
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I have no idea what ring species are or what you arre saying there. The most simple eye that I know of in abundance in the world would be some species of coral which have the ability to detect light and dark. When a shadow passes over then they retract into their shell so the creature will not be able to eat them. That would be a simple nerve cell that responds to light. Obviously more advanced eyes can do more. Each level of advancement can be shown in nature, snail eyes are better than the light/dark but not by that much up to our eyes and beyond to the eye of an eagle. |
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DavidC
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Look up ring species. They support your argument, and the fact that you are unaware of them demonstrates a shallow fund of knowledge. Eagles did not evolve from snails. You are making wildly impossible generalizations. Evolution is nothing more than a dogma to you. Obviously God created the evolutionary process, but it is not a comprehensive answer for the wide variety of life and non-life. |
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Tim the plumber
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Given you brought in ring species, whatever they are I will leave it to you to tell the world what they are. I don't need to. You claim that eagles did not evolve from snails, how do you know? If they have common ancestry you would expect them to have similar biological processes being done by similar chemical mechanisms. That the theory of evolution would expect them to still be using the same protiens that worked 500 million years ago to make nerve cells. That the process of evolution has developed the application of the nerve cells in the eagle more than the snail is obvious but the ecco of the very old origional solution that biology first found to the problem would be ther if they have evolved from a common ancestor. That is Darwin's prediction. With our new ability to look at the instruction manual of life, DNA, we find exactly this. The way such proteins are slowly changed over long periods of time is used to establish the exact pathways in which life diversity has happened. Same as knowing who is the farther from DNA we can understand which species gave rise to which other species. |
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Al Masihi
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The fact that the world is so perfectly made with just the right conditions to let you survive is the only proof you need.
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