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    Posted: 13 January 2018 at 12:49pm
This is a genuine question.
What proof do we really have that Muhammad was a prophet.
After all the claim is only made by him and then we are meant to believe the Quran was from God. But everything written down in the Quran came through Muhammad.

We are meant to believe the Bible and Torah but there are some huge differences between these books and the Quran.

Everybody who believes in his religion claims that their religion is correct and someone else's is wrong.

So the question is what proof is there that the Quran was from God. Please don't say the Quran says so and you must believe it. That would not be proof.
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There are several reasons that Quran is word of Allah,first we must know that prophet Muhammad Saw (Pbuh)was illiterate,I will be presenting you some verses and reason behind it.
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﴿سورة الذاريات ٤٧﴾ وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ

[Quran 51:47] We constructed the universe with power, and We are expanding it.

Here Allah is saying Allah created universe and he is expanding it 1400 years ago in Quran, Edwin Hubble discovered this fact in late 1800's,so how could an illiterate man could say such an advanced thing, certainly it was Allah who wrote Quran.     

Edited by NABA - 19 January 2018 at 6:29am
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﴿سورة المؤمنون﴾

١٢) وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ سُلَالَةٍ مِنْ طِينٍ

١٣) ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَكِينٍ

١٤) ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنْشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ ۚ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ

[Quran Chapter 23]

12. We created man from an extract of clay.

13. Then We made him a seed, in a secure repository.

14. Then We developed the seed into a clot. Then We developed the clot into a lump. Then We developed the lump into bones. Then We clothed the bones with flesh. Then We produced it into another creature. Most Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators.here in this verse whole human embryo development is mentioned which was discovered by scientists in 1900's,this cannot be said by prophet Muhammad Saw (Pbuh),it was mentioned by Allah

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@Naba & Akthus

Looking at the different translations of 51:47 in Corpus Quran

Quote Sahih International: And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.

Pickthall: We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).

Yusuf Ali: With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.

Shakir: And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.

Muhammad Sarwar: We have made the heavens with Our own hands and We expanded it.

Mohsin Khan: With power did We construct the heaven. Verily, We are Able to extend the vastness of space thereof.

Arberry: And heaven -- We built it with might, and We extend it wide.

A) It is easy to see that different translators arrive at different sentences/meanings. Actually the sentences are so wishy washy that they are useless anyway.
Most of it is "Mumble mumble" and it takes a lot of wishful thinking to interpret the Big Bang into this patter.

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Quote 12. We created man from an extract of clay.
B) We have no reason to assume this to be correct. It is outright nonsense.
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The verses on "embryology"
Quote 13. Then We made him a seed, in a secure repository.

14. Then We developed the seed into a clot. Then We developed the clot into a lump. Then We developed the lump into bones. Then We clothed the bones with flesh. Then We produced it into another creature. Most Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators.


C) Muhammad a salesman who travelled and had a lot of exchange with other people. He heard of -and copied these "claims" from- the greek philosopher Galen.
The information content is almost zero and from the little that is left we know that the sequence of embryonic development is different from the one stated in the Quran.
Naba, you're a doctor! Your professional conscience should forbid you circulating this kind of statements.
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D) Summary: These verses are a distinct indication that Muhammad was definitely not what he claimed to be.



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Edited by airmano - 20 January 2018 at 11:40am
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

﴿سورة الذاريات ٤٧﴾ وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ

[Quran 51:47] We constructed the universe with power, and We are expanding it.

Here Allah is saying Allah created universe and he is expanding it 1400 years ago in Quran, Edwin Hubble discovered this fact in late 1800's,so how could an illiterate man could say such an advanced thing, certainly it was Allah who wrote Quran.     


What do you think Hubble discovered and how was it described in the Koran?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tim the plumber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2018 at 8:09am
Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

﴿سورة المؤمنون﴾

١٢) وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ سُلَالَةٍ مِنْ طِينٍ

١٣) ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَكِينٍ

١٤) ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنْشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ ۚ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ

[Quran Chapter 23]

12. We created man from an extract of clay.

13. Then We made him a seed, in a secure repository.

14. Then We developed the seed into a clot. Then We developed the clot into a lump. Then We developed the lump into bones. Then We clothed the bones with flesh. Then We produced it into another creature. Most Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators.here in this verse whole human embryo development is mentioned which was discovered by scientists in 1900's,this cannot be said by prophet Muhammad Saw (Pbuh),it was mentioned by Allah



That is not at all a desciption of the development of any embryo.

It is not infact a description of the growth of an embryo in the Koran. Why do you want it to be something it is not and is wrong for the thing you want itto be?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MIAW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2018 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by akthus akthus wrote:

This is a genuine question.
What proof do we really have that Muhammad was a prophet.
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So the question is what proof is there that the Quran was from God...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU7J6wfeDvo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIPhDa5CONg

http://www.islamweb.net/en/article/143341/evidence-that-muhammad-was-a-prophet

https://islamqa.info/en/13804




Edited by MIAW - 26 January 2018 at 12:29pm
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