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    Posted: 02 December 2017 at 3:10pm
This imam claims that the Quran is uncreated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8U9yT7ETE8

In Christianity, "uncreated" is a divine property & this is attributed to the creator.

If the Quran is uncreated, than what differentiates the divinity of the Quran from the divinity of God? Is the Quran God? or is the Quran a quality of God?
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Quran is the word of Allah.Allah is one he is eternal he is neither born nor give birth there is nothing like him
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[QUOTE=NABA] Quran is the word of Allah.Allah is one he is eternal he is neither born nor give birth there is nothing like him[/QUOTE
Muhammad only created a new sect in sixth century which he blended it with jewis,christian and pagan religion and called the Quran a so called revelation of Allah and changed the promise of God into a lie.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote asep garut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2017 at 4:41pm

Hi Peace Maker,

Can you prove that Muhammad changed God's promise into a lie?

It is precisely the books of the previous apostles that many were changed by their own monks, so Allah sent the Qur'an to Muhammad to give the news to all men that god is one and worship only to Him (Allah).

Anyone will not be able to make like the Qur'an, including the Prophet Muhammad, the Qur'an is truly coming from Allah through the angel of Gabriel. Many of them are studying the Qur'an and they finally confirm that it really comes from God.

Example: in the Qur'an, the word "angel" is written 88 times, and the opponent of the angel is "devil" is written 88 times, the word of "prostration" is written 34 times, and the number of prostrations in the obligatory prayer 5 times a day and a night, there are 34 times as well... and many more.

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Quote Example: in the Qur'an, the word "angel" is written 88 times, and the opponent of the angel is "devil" is written 88 times


Funny miracles you have:
   
Counting the word "angel" (singular) using Corpus Quran I get 10 entries.   Searchíng for "angels" (plural) I get 81 entries.

Using "devil" I get 4 entries whereas there are 15 for "devils".

May be Allah doesn't know how to count or "does he as he pleases" in this case ?
Having said so, it is perfectly in line with the other Quranic "miracles" I got confronted so far.
I didn't even bother to check your other claim.


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Edited by airmano - 01 January 2018 at 12:02am
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote asep garut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 January 2018 at 6:30pm

Dear Airmano,

Maybe the way you count is a bit different from me, the method I use not only calculate the original word "malaikah", but using the science of tools, which is a science commonly called "nahu-sharaf" it is a tool to uncover each word in the Qur'an.

Some Muslim scientists also vary a lot in calculating it, but that's the calculation from me, and even there are still some other miracles that I find.


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Asep Garut: Do you know where can I find more information in English on the nahu-sharaf hermeneutic?
Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote asep garut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2018 at 3:52pm

Dear DavidC,

In my country, such the lesson usually exists in a "Pesantren" which is special school to learn and deepen the knowledge about Islam, including "nahu-sharaf". I got such lesson for about 5 years in Pesantren.

I think in your country there is no school like "Pesantren", but I'll try to look for the book like that, because when I was in school, it's hard to find in stores except in Pesantren. Hopefully in today I can find it easily.

As information, nahu-sharaf have similarities with the grammar, but the difference is nahu-sharaf more emphasis the meaning on syllables in the sentence.


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