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dialamah,

It is true that in the Qur'an does not require long dress and black color, in the Qur'an one of them is as follows:

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable woman) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (33:59)

In that verse there is the word "Khumur" which generally explains the obligation to cover the head (hair), chest and neck with something like a veil.

In a hadith the Prophet Muhammad said:

"Truly a woman if she is baligh (adult), then it should not be visible from her limbs except this and this (he hinted his face and palms). [Narrated by Abu Dwud, no. 4104 and al-Baihaqi, no. 3218. This hadith is authenticated by shaykh al-Albni rahimahullah]

From both sources it can be concluded that visible are the face and the palms.

Even if your country does not apply it, what about God command ? Will it reject the command of God?

From what you say is only human opinion, whereas if God commands something, it is certainly good for His servant because God will not harm His servant.

I want to ask you, if you go out in a dressed-up fashion like the breasts, the thighs are visible to others, I'm sure there are some people who look you with negative assumptions.

Wearing hijab is a command of God, but if there is a Muslim woman who has been veiled and her behavior is negative, then that is not Muslim, hijab is only one of God's commandments, while there are still many others commands, one of those is good behavior.

Islam is forbidden to force non-Muslims to participate like Muslims do because there is the word of their Lord, Muslims duty is to convey the truth of Allah, good Muslims will obey the commands of Allah than the others. A fact proves that in some countries that initially rejected veiled women, but now you can see by yourself.

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Quote For Muslim women, in wearing clothing there is a guide from the Book and their Prophet.

And for Muslim women will get some benefits, among others:

1. Received the reward from God because it is one of His commands.


My sister, who converted to Islam about two decades ago, tells me there is nothing in the Quran requiring women to dress in long, black dresses, with hair and face coverings, yet that is enforced in some countries and in some families. Even the use of the hijab is not required; Allah only instructed the covering of the bosom. If one goes beyond what the Quran instructs, is that not the same as criticizing God?

Quote 2. Avoiding the heat of the sun when it's sweltering.

This would not apply in countries where there is minimal sun; however, in the Middle East it makes some sense.

Quote 3. Avoiding from dust or pollution so that the hair will be kept clean.

Many women who do not wear head coverings also manage to keep their hair clean; I think this reason is a stretch. I think that hair loss due to hijab wearing would be of greater concern to both men and women. There is also documented evidence that women who wear head coverings and "modest dress", regardless of religion, tend to suffer from Vitamin D deficiency. Is this information on the negative effects of covering well known and understood among Muslim women?      

Quote 4. To cover personal disgrace.

I'm sorry, I do not understand how 'clothing' can cover personal disgrace. Unless one is implying that the mere fact of being female is a 'disgrace'.

Quote 5. Avoiding negative views, especially in a predominantly Muslim countries, if not following the shari'ah of Islam will lead to various prejudices such as a naughty woman, cheap woman etc.

It's foolish to think that just because a woman is wearing 'certain' clothing she is purer. An adulteress can wear a burka just as well as a non-adulteress can wear a bikini. One's morality is not controlled by one's clothing.

But aside from that:
In Western countries a hijab, burka or niqab can all make the women targets for those who consider Muslims unacceptable in their countries. Would not Allah want His followers to be safe from 'negative views' in any country? Especially given that Allah doesn't even require the wearing of these items.

Do not misunderstand me: in Canada, I support the right of Muslim (and all) women to dress as they wish. I even find some of the hijabs attractive. However, I dislike the idea that women around the world are misled into believing this is a requirement of Islam when really it is not: it's the requirement of men who wish to control women and who will use religion to do so.

Edited by dialamah - 12 February 2018 at 8:33am
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Dialamah,

For Muslim women, in wearing clothing there is a guide from the Book and their Prophet. But Islamic teachings do not forbid non-Muslims to dress like that, it's up to their favorites. And for Muslim women will get some benefits, among others:

1. Received the reward from God because it is one of His commands.

2. Avoiding the heat of the sun when it's sweltering.

3. Avoiding from dust or pollution so that the hair will be kept clean.

4. To cover personal disgrace.

5. Avoiding negative views, especially in a predominantly Muslim countries, if not following the shari'ah of Islam will lead to various prejudices such as a naughty woman, cheap woman etc.


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Originally posted by Jon Harington Jon Harington wrote:



Would western society benefit from having a bit more Islam? It seems to me that making things a bit more spiritual and a bit cleaner might be to the benefit of everyone.

What do you think?


Based on how woman are advised to dress by their religious books and leaders, you might also ask if Western society would benefit from more Christianity, since modest dress is also advised in that religion.

As someone else said - more secularism and less religion. Too many people are only too happy to moralize about others' behavior and some of them, believing God is on their side, decide its their holy duty to impose their morality on others, even to the point of killing them. So I don't see religion as being any kind of solution to the over sexualization rampant in Western society.

People should be free to choose, whether it's twerking in short shorts or wearing a burka in public. Those that dislike it are free to do so, but they should not seek to impose their preferences on others.

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Originally posted by Jon Harington Jon Harington wrote:



Anyway I guess the nub of my question is this:

Would western society benefit from having a bit more Islam? It seems to me that making things a bit more spiritual and a bit cleaner might be to the benefit of everyone.

What do you think?

Your question reminds me of the word of Allah 61: 8, whose content implies that the teachings of Islam will spread throughout the world including to the Western, because the Qur'an is revealed to all human beings who have common sense as in His word 39: 9
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Allah in ch 24 v 30-31 of Quran ordered men to lower gaze whenever you had a bad thought after looking at a girl,if one practice this then there will be decrease in such immoralities
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tim the plumber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 November 2017 at 12:41pm
The society we have today is very different to that of 50 years ago. When my grandmother would not have left the house without something covering her hair.

The capacity for the West to take as absolute the validity of the current moral consensus is shocking for anybody with any sense of history.

The mad rush of cultural change that is the modern western world is bewildering. But I like it.



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Jon welcome! I think it's a question of western society becoming less secular, not more Islamic.
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