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Praying for a blessed eid for you and all my forum friends, Asep. No hurry; I am always grateful for your generous contributions.
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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:

Praying for a blessed eid for you and all my forum friends, Asep. No hurry; I am always grateful for your generous contributions.

DavidC,

First of all, I would like to thank you for your kindness towards us (Muslims Ummah), and have been patient to wait. And here's the explanation from me, hopefully will increase our knowledge in peeling or uncovering the meaning of reading in the Qur'an.

In the Qur'an, there are many verses whose meaning refers to the meaning of the word 'corrupted', for example:

 “...They change the words (of Allah) from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves good-doers.” (5:13)

 “Do you (faithful believers) covet that they will believe in your religion inspite of the fact that a party of them (Jewish Rabbis) used to hear the Word of Allah (The Torah), then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it ?” (2:75)

 From the 2 verses underline above, it shows a similarity of meaning from 'corrupt'. And there are still other verses.

Here is the interpretation of every syllable of surah Al Hijr 15: 9,

إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُوْنَ

إِنَّا means : Verily, Surely.

نَحْنُ means : We.

The meaning of "We" in this word is referring to Allah (God) and the Angel Gabriel, because the Qur'an was not handed down directly by Allah to Prophet Muhammad, but through Angel Gabriel as intermediate between Allah and Prophet Muhammad.

نَزَّلْنَا This is derived from the syllable of  نْزَلْنَا اَ means : Sent it down.

الذِّكْرَ This is derived from the syllable of اَلذِّكْرَ means : The Qur’an, because one of the other names of the Qur'an is Adz-Dzikr (Reminder).

وَ means : and

إِنَّا means : Verily We, Surely We. The word إِنَّا here is to express the word  نَحْنُ written before, and 'We' here can be meant Allah, angels and people who memorized and understood the Qur'an.

لَهُ means : to him, "Him" here means the Qur'an or Adz-Dzikr.

لَحَافِظُوْنَ This is derived from the syllable of  اَلْحَافِيْظُ  (Al-Hafiizhu) means : The All-Maintain, which is to maintain the authenticity of the Qur'an, and here, besides Allah and Angel, also those who know and understand the contents of the Qur'an, so that if there is a single letter that changed from the Qur'an, it will soon be detected or known.

And then the assurance from Allah regarding the maintaining of the authenticity of the Qur'an among others: * To avoid from all the efforts that will falsify it,

* The Qur'an will be preserved until the apocalypse is imminent, in this case Allah will take the Qur'an or will be omitted from this world when the apocalypse is very close.


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Thank you, Asep. We can certainly discuss this sensitive subject prayerfully and accurately.

I do not think any Christian would deny that the bible was and still is held up by some evil 'Christians' as a justification for their deeds. This was especially true around the Qu'ranic period and the word corruption fits the human action but not the text. Indeed, the Christians of 1700 C.E. would have tried the Nestorian and Ebionite Christians of Muhummad's Arabia as corrupt heretics.

Your reading seems similar in that it relates to the interpretation and use of the Bible more than to the text itself. Casual apologists tend to dwell on superficial textual errors or stridently insist the Bible claims to be more authoritative than it does. This discussion promises to be more edifying.
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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:

Thank you, Asep. We can certainly discuss this sensitive subject prayerfully and accurately.

I do not think any Christian would deny that the bible was and still is held up by some evil 'Christians' as a justification for their deeds. This was especially true around the Qu'ranic period and the word corruption fits the human action but not the text. Indeed, the Christians of 1700 C.E. would have tried the Nestorian and Ebionite Christians of Muhummad's Arabia as corrupt heretics.

Your reading seems similar in that it relates to the interpretation and use of the Bible more than to the text itself. Casual apologists tend to dwell on superficial textual errors or stridently insist the Bible claims to be more authoritative than it does. This discussion promises to be more edifying.

You’re welcome, DavidC,

All the errors that occur in all the books only in the human alone, therefore, Allah revealed the Quran with the original language of the Prophet Muhammad, so that its authenticity is maintained from counterfeiting. And the possibilities differ only in the translation, because of the language differences of each country.

All the books revealed to His messengers are basically divided into two main factors:

1. Tawheed: meaning that they are commanded to invite their people to worship only to one God (Allah).

2. Shari'ah: it means all the ordinances associated with doing various worship:

a. Its relationship to the ordinance of worshiping to their Lord as it has exemplified by his Apostles.

b. Its relationship with all human beings, for example: to do good to humanity, to bring people to the light of righteousness from their God in wise ways, to reject all bad characteristics in good ways except in situations of forced like when aqidah will be changed and expelled from their countries (colonized).

In the teachings of Islam, all Muslims must be firmly guided to the Quran so that if there is difference of opinions then they must return to refer to the authentic source that is Al Quran, that is why almost all Al Quran always contains the original language besides its translation.

Apart from that, the Qur'an also contains many of the words of Allah that informing about the past events, present and future including intuitions that will be useful for the development of science of mankind which have been contained in the Qur'an which was revealed around 14 centuries ago. On that basis Allah will not bring down His book again after the Quran.

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I believe God created all of humanity with a desire to love and serve God on this earth. We all start out as children with ourselves at the center of the universe. As we mature we are divinely guided to understand this is backwards.

We are all different, and it seems obvious to me that God loves variety. The Qu'ran and the Bible are both of immense spiritual value yet they are entirely different in genre, time and purpose.

Some people love to involve themselves in arguments about religion, but I think it is a bad thing to argue about God. The most likely result of argument is to push people away from God, and that is an evil result even if one has the most gracious intentions.

I used to get rude mail from other Christians here because I always applaud new members who joyously announce they have pronounced Shahada. But what else to do when someone embraces God!   
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