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Peace maker
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What cant you rememder your own islamic history? . . . Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." Sahih Bukhari 5:59:173. [Muhammad] asked, "Have you poisoned this sheep?" They [some Jews] said, "Yes." He asked, "What made you do so?" They said, "We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you." Thus, Jews wanted to see if the poison would affect him, and it did. So why could he not heal himself by the power of Allah? The Quran teaches that Muhammad could work no miracles. He even executed the Jewis woman who poisoned him. “Verily, We, it is We who have sent down the Dhikr (Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).” (Al Hijr 15:9) This only said we not Allah or Jibrill was mentioned, the we is Muhammad himself with so called instant revelations. If it was Gabriel He would have said I am standing in the precence of God and, where is the Quran that we have send down? the Quran wasn't even writen till long after Muhammad's death so thus just shows you its a lie. What is in the earlier Scriptures is widely contained in the Qur'an, but what is in the Qur'an much is not in the earlier Scriptures. What is widely contained in the Quran? all the plagarizing from other scriptures the Quran does not even mean word of a god it only means recite so its not the word of any god except Muhammad's own words. Then You wanted to tel me God and Gabriel lied in the Gospels. Show me a better book than the Bible in the world. |
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DavidC
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Hello Asep!
Would you please comment on the Arabic that is typically translated as 'corrupted' in reference to religious scriptures? This word covers a significant semantic range in English, and its occurrance in Al Hijr 15:9 as a process requiring angelic prevention in the Qu'ran appears to provide a good comparison for a word study. An accurate understanding of the word is important in understanding this connection between Islam and Christianity. In English corruption can be a natural process, or an accidental error, or a deliberate criminal effort. More information about the Arabic used might be an aid to understanding. |
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asep garut
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Sorry Peace maker, You said: “If you say the Quran is the word of God then the Quran must have been the exacted mirror image of the Bible every word but no it isn't,” I think you are just guessing that then the Quran must have been the exacted mirror image of the Bible. What is in the earlier Scriptures is widely contained in the Qur'an, but what is in the Qur'an much is not in the earlier Scriptures. The Quran is a Holy Book that completes the previous Scriptures (because it comes from one God), meaning God will not send another Book down again after the Quran because everything has completed. All the past, present and future information have all been presented in the Quran, and even in the Quran there is information that can give intuition to mankind in connection with the development of human science which until now mankind have not been able to uncover them (it means not a mirroring). In Islam, "Gabriel" is an angel created by God, just like the other angels, only the tasks are different. This signifies the religion of Tawheed, that God is one and the Most Holy of all who associate Him. You said: “Gabriel would not have change a single word of God like its changed in the Quran to depict that Gabriel was the Angel that so called revealed the Quran to Muhammad is blasphemy against Gabriel and God with the intension to use His name to glorify Muhammad's own words and drag Gabriel into his lies.” Can you prove it? no one can make like the Quran, because it is God's promise: “Verily, We, it is We who have sent down the Dhikr (Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).” (Al Hijr 15:9) “Say: ‘If the mankind and the jinn were together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another’.” (Al Israa 17:88) This means proving that God challenges mankind if they are capable of making like the Qur'an (including the Prophet Muhammad also will not be able to make like the Quran). You said: “Muhammad died of poisoning.” Can you provide proofs of truth that fit with its history? |
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So are any and all would be profets who did not die by sword or famine also truely from God?
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On what basis is the Bible wrong?. If you say the Quran is the word of God then the Quran must have been the exacted mirror image of the Bible every word but no it isn't,The Angel Gabriel's name was used in vain by a lie because have stand in the presnece of God from the begining and He Gabriel would not have change a single word of God like its changed in the Quran to depict that Gabriel was the Angel that so called revealed the Quran to Muhammad is blasphemy against Gabriel and God with the intension to use His name to glorify Muhammad's own words and drag Gabriel into his lies. Muhammad died of poisoning. Jeremiah's words does not give a aproval to Muhammad to be a prophet. |
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I'm not sure about the relation between Bible (I'm not Christian) & Muhammad but this is what Islamic sources say... And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut from him the aorta. (Quran 69: 44-46) Narrated `Aisha: The Prophet (ﷺ) in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O `Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."
SAHIH AL-BUKHARI 4428 Book of Military Expeditions led by the Prophet (pbuh)
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ABDULMALIQ ATTAR
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Peace be to you Dear brother
simple proof that the Quran is from God ,if you are Christian then you should believe in the old testament and the new testament. and there is prophecy in the Old testament JEREmiah 14:15 "Therefore this is what the Lord says about the prophets who are prophesying in my name: I did not send them, yet they are saying, ‘No sword or famine will touch this land.’ Those same prophets will perishAM)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-19309AM" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px; font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"> by sword and famine " But Muhammed PBUH was not killed By sword or Famine. so he was not a liar Prophet.. so he was truely from God.. if not then why he was not killed (so the bible is wrong?!)
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