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    Posted: 25 October 2018 at 3:45am
Originally posted by ajzhyder ajzhyder wrote:

https://topicsfromquran.wordpress.com/2018/05/19/creation-of-skies-and-the-earth/
The above post reviews Quranic verses related to creation of Earth and Heavens.


He is who created the seven skies one above another. You will not see any imperfection in the creation of the Most Gracious. So turn your vision again. Do you see any flaw?

Well, yes, the cosmic background radiation pattern is, for example, not uniform. Without this origional disturbance in the universe there would not be any stars or other irregularity.

The sun for example is a constant battle of explosion vs collapse. One day the collapse will win.

The whole idea of a black hole is a flaw in the universe. It is a breaking of spacetime.
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Originally posted by asep garut asep garut wrote:

In the Qur'an there are verses relating to human science, or what is commonly called "Qauniyah verses". For example:

 يٰمَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ �£َن تَنفُذُوا۟ مِنْ �£َقْطَارِ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْ�£َرْضِ فَانفُذُوا۟ ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطٰنٍ

“O company of jinn and mankind, if you have power to penetrate (all) regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will never penetrate them except with the power (science and Allah's permission)” (Ar Rahman 55:33)

Allah only provides information about these verses and for the next, mankind can prove it by conducting research in accordance with the ability of their science possessed, because the knowledge possessed by mankind is very little when compared to the knowledge possessed by Allah.

 وَمَآ �£ُوتِيتُم مِّنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا

“..And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.” (Al Isra 17:85)

Therefore, with the guidance of the Qur'an, humans will be able to separate what is in the world that can be investigated with human knowledge and which are not, so that the research is not in vain, and it is to prove that the Qur'an which was revealed around 14 centuries ago can inspire the science of mankind in this modern times.




The verse you quoted don't actually help us undersatnd the universe in any way though.
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In the Qur'an there are verses relating to human science, or what is commonly called "Qauniyah verses". For example:

 يٰمَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ �£َن تَنفُذُوا۟ مِنْ �£َقْطَارِ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْ�£َرْضِ فَانفُذُوا۟ ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطٰنٍ

“O company of jinn and mankind, if you have power to penetrate (all) regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will never penetrate them except with the power (science and Allah's permission)” (Ar Rahman 55:33)

Allah only provides information about these verses and for the next, mankind can prove it by conducting research in accordance with the ability of their science possessed, because the knowledge possessed by mankind is very little when compared to the knowledge possessed by Allah.

 وَمَآ �£ُوتِيتُم مِّنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا

“..And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.” (Al Isra 17:85)

Therefore, with the guidance of the Qur'an, humans will be able to separate what is in the world that can be investigated with human knowledge and which are not, so that the research is not in vain, and it is to prove that the Qur'an which was revealed around 14 centuries ago can inspire the science of mankind in this modern times.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AlkitabAdvocate Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 August 2018 at 5:09am
Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Originally posted by ajzhyder ajzhyder wrote:

Salam
My understanding of 'spreading of the earth' is that from very small size in the beginning when Earth and Skies were joined together, the Earth was spread to its present size, i.e to a size of much bigger sphere.


I don't see much trouble with the Koran's verses if they are poetry and it is understood that they are targeted at the normal people of 700AD.

If you want to use them for the basis of an understanding of how the real world actually is you are going to run into trouble.

The earth and the sky/space/all those stars were never physically joined. They all formed after the bib bang start of the universe and most long long after the start.
 
The Book is not to be taken as poetry. It is actually for guidance. It is correct that it is not a book of science, as it only states some facts which can be appreciated depending upon the knowledge available to the world at that time.
 
All the matter and energy which forms the Universe today was contained at a very small space i.e an infinitely small point in the beginning, and from there this matter spread out to form every thing we see in the universe today.
 
 
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Originally posted by ajzhyder ajzhyder wrote:

Salam
My understanding of 'spreading of the earth' is that from very small size in the beginning when Earth and Skies were joined together, the Earth was spread to its present size, i.e to a size of much bigger sphere.


I don't see much trouble with the Koran's verses if they are poetry and it is understood that they are targeted at the normal people of 700AD.

If you want to use them for the basis of an understanding of how the real world actually is you are going to run into trouble.

The earth and the sky/space/all those stars were never physically joined. They all formed after the bib bang start of the universe and most long long after the start.
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Salam
My understanding of 'spreading of the earth' is that from very small size in the beginning when Earth and Skies were joined together, the Earth was spread to its present size, i.e to a size of much bigger sphere.
 
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@Ajzhyder
Quote  Quran, 13:3
Sahih International: And it is He who spread the earth and placed therein firmly set mountains and rivers.

Can you tell me how you can reconcile this verse with the modern knowledge on the formation of our earth ?


Thanks:  Airmano

The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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https://topicsfromquran.wordpress.com/2018/05/19/creation-of-skies-and-the-earth/
The above post reviews Quranic verses related to creation of Earth and Heavens.
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