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    Posted: 16 March 2006 at 6:37am

As Salamu Alaikum

Sis Zainaaa, you have being given very good advice here by the members.

I only want to add that Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala tells us in His Book that money is Fitnah so please be careful how you handle this situation. I don't think you will want to start a new life on a sour note. Marriage is starting a new life and I advice you to avoid any unnecessary ill-feelings with your future mother in law. After your marriage she becomes a very important part of your new life. Don't let hatred develop between the three of you (your fianc�, his mother and yourself) due to the debt. A very bad start to a new life.

If your family can forgive and pardon her the debt for the sake of Allah, Insha Allah their reward will be with Him, or else try to get a third party involved who can talk to her sensibly. Emotions normally run very high where money matters and family relations clash. Sometimes things end with a big bang and remember "words once spoken or eggs once broken cannot be mended again."

May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala help you make the right decision. Ameen!

Wa Alaikum Salam



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bismillahi rahmani raheem

[002:280] If the debtor is in a difficulty, grant him time till it is easy for him to repay. But if ye remit it by way of charity, that is best for you if ye only knew.

[002:282] O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write;

and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness;

and call in to witness from among your men 2 witnesses; but if there are not 2 men, then 1 man and 2 women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if 1 of the 2 errs, the second of the 2 may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned;

and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards),

except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another,

and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things

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Bismillah,

Dear Sister Zainaa,

Did your fiance encourage you to loan the money to her?  If so, he is culpable in her lack of repayment, and should begin to make the payments to you, which you need to write down.

If not, it was your decision, yes.  But your fiance needs to also take responsibility unless he discouraged you from loaning her the money.  If he was against it, and it was just between the two of you, did you make a written agreement?  Probably not.  Try to get her to sign a written aggreement now that she owes the money to you, and a time frame you both agree on to pay it back. 

If she won't sign it and says something like:  Don't you trust me, tell her it IS the Islaamic way to deal with money and property such as this, that you wanted to fix things Islaamically in order to please Allah, SWT.

Loans are a great way to help people, but we should realize the reality of a situation when we make a loan.  Will this person really be able to pay it back?  What if they were counting on a payment to them or a new job that they never get?  If the people didn't mean to steal your money and are just poor and really not able to repay you, it is better to let it go and say that it is a charity from you to them. 

In your situation, she is spending plenty of money to travel, so I would say she is one of those people who has considered it charity without your permission, and you should try to get your money back.

Don't loan money that you can't afford to lose especially if you don't sign a contract.  Life has hard lessons to learn.  ISA the other lessons will be easier for you than they have been for me!  I got burned badly by someone who promised to take care of financial matters.  It hurts when someone close to you doesn't prioritize promises to you, but remembers other people or things instead.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alwardah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 March 2006 at 6:51am

As Salamu Alaikum

My father's principle: "If you value someone's friendship, don't lend them money."

�Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An�am 6:165)
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debts must be paid. i was taught that if we die without paying debts, it's simply unthinkable. in ur case, i think if she did borrow -- it is her duty to pay back her debts. it's a sin not too. still, if she really doesn't have any money at all to repay, maybe... it's best if the lender waive it or make it easy for her. isn't it great to help her? you'll get blessings from Allah.

maybe you can ask her pay in installments? anyway you all are going to be families, i hope you can work it out the best way. God bless.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 February 2006 at 6:12pm

If she is not going to repay, perhaps don't lend her any more money.

Perhaps you can pay your family instead and then get your fiance's mom to pay you instead installments of what she can pay back, at least that way the pressure is off from your own family.  

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Thanks for replying, she has been reminded so many times.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote abuayisha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 February 2006 at 4:46pm
Could it not be a simple issue of communications?  Ask her to make payments, and don't expect that she will do it on her own.  Maybe she feels that you folks can wait for payment and there is no rush.  Was there a contractual agreement?
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