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    Posted: 13 February 2006 at 5:27am
Hey guys, i'm not sure where to put this, so I guess i'll put it in the most relevant place i think is in this forum...

I am a student at school currently doing a project about the treatment of Islam since 9/11 on the media, and the effect it has had on individual lives of Muslims in Australia and America. I am trying to collect a variety of feelings/stories from individual muslims from Australia, and America. Please feel free to share your feelings about this issue. If you have any stories for example, it would really help out a lot... I am trying to understand from a western culture point of view, and i feel that posting on forums is a start. Please state if your an American-Muslim or Australian-Muslim in your posts, thanks a lot.

Have you felt a greater sense of prejudice when you walk down the streets, was it different before 9/11? How Do you think the media is potraying Islam/Muslims? Things like that will help out a lot, thanks.
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Dear brother

 

It is indeed encouraging that you want to know the Muslim perspective on the issue of 9 11. Most Muslim do not view the incident of 9 11 as an isolated incident rather an out come of hate and anger of over 40-50 years.

 

HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. Muslims had a glorious past which came to an end some 500 years ago due to our own follies. Spain and Ottoman Empires became the Western colonies and Muslims started living in subjugation and foreign rule. They were happy, satisfied and some resistance in political form was offered but over all Muslims were deep asleep.

 

Muslims have a different perception of their religion. There are some areas where there has to be no compromise in any form and any shape. These are:

(1) Allah or God,   (2) The Prophets,  (3) The Quran  and  (4) The Holy places namely Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem.

 

In 1916 the Balfour Deceleration was passed and Israel came to existence in 1947. The Palestinians were persecuted and were evicted from their lands. Both British in particular and west not only supported this but played an important role in this whole drama. The protests in Muslim world got infuriated and protested but these protests were subdued by force. This led to a feeling of injustice and repression with respect to our religion and resulted in armed struggle at different place in the world (Libya, Algeria, Indo-Pakistan, Afghanistan and Arab lands). This had a profound effect on Muslims religious psychology who started to feel that this colonization must come to an end. The colonization soon ended due to World War-I and new states emerged after world war-II.

 

The west continued to rule the Muslim lands trough proxy, i.e. by appointing and supporting the tyrannical rulers and regimes which still exist in most places of Muslim countries.  

 

The miseries of Palestinians continued and West not only remained unconcerned to them but rather encouraged and supported Israel in carrying out all kinds of persecution and occupation. This gave a wake up call to Muslims. The Arab-Israel war of 1967 and 1973 gave Muslims the shock of their life when west openly supported Israel against the oil rich Arab despite of them being important to the West. The western citizens living in comfort and luxuries failed to heed the calls, protests and strikes in the Arab lands, so as to pursue their governments to adopt more balanced approach towards the problem.

 

This unjust behaviour of the west frustrated the Palestinian youth and some tried to gain the attention by hijacking planes, killing Israeli athletes at the Olympics etc which rather proved to be counter productive and media portrayed just one side of the story to depict Muslims as terrorists, extremist, brutal etc etc. The cat and mouse game went on for years.

 

Iran was an American state satellite with having over 25000 CIA and MOSSAD operatives. Due to Shah�s blind submission to US the nation turned against the government paving in the way for Theocracy i.e. Iranian Revolution. USA immediately brought Saddam in Iraq and armed him to fight Iran fearing the Islamic Revolution from spilling over to the neighbouring countries.

 

Richard Nixon�s book �Beyond Peace� would be very relevant here to mention in which he writes that, �The US should adopt a policy of isolation and containment towards both (Iran and Iraq). The objective should be to give both countries problems at home so that they cannot cause problems abroad.�

 

The Islamic fury against the west got a break as suddenly a new threat appeared in Afghanistan, �The Communist Threat� which was common to both west and Islam. Both entered into marriage of convenience to fight the Soviet Threat and the west resurrected the concept of JIHAD in the Muslim world which had been dead for more than 4 centuries. 

These Mujhaids or Jihadis were the heroes of Muslim world and the west. But just within two years some important things happened:

Israel destroyed the Iraqi nuclear reactor while retaining its own because in future Nuclear Iraq would pose a serious threat to the west and jeopardize the whole 50 year plan about the Gulf.

Saddam (the crony of west) attacked Kuwait and soon it became apparent that Americans had hinted that in case of any attack on Kuwait US will remain neutral.

Ethnic cleansing of Muslims started in Bosnia Herzegovina and Europeans along with US enjoyed the cold blooded massacre of Muslims for almost 5 years. It only stopped once Saudis, Pakistan, UAE and two more Muslims countries broke the arms embargo to supply the arms to Bosnians Muslims to protect themselves.

East Timor was immediately granted a status of an independent Christian state with just within 2 years of resistance after separation from Indonesia, while the problem in Muslim lands like Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya etc was ignored deliberately for decades.

In Algeria the Islamic party won the elections but with the help of France and United States the imposed regime not only barred the party to form the government but rather a genocide was orchestrated for over 10 years in which thousands and thousands were slaughtered.

Gulf war started and the government of Saddam Hussain was intentionally not deposed for having an excuse to control the world oil. The local shia population and uprising was as a result crushed by Saddam using brute force. But Saddam was not to be removed because his removal was not the part of the game plan and could have jeopardize the whole plan which was to be unveiled in the next 10 � 15 years.

After the war was over the Mujhaideens or the Jihadis demanded the foreign powers to leave, because the things were happening exactly what the Prophet had told the Muslims some over 1400 years ago. The most vocal voice was of the Osama bin Laden who was at that time the closest friend of the CIA.

 

Soon Osama became the unwanted man and the enemy of CIA/Saudi government so he had to leave the country. He organized his fellow men to wage the resistance against the occupying powers in the Gulf and used his old base, Afghanistan t wage this �Holy War�. This is how the political issues were painted in the religious colour.

The tensions between the west and Islam grew bitter and bitter, and both spared no opportunity to harm each other or each other interests. This was when 9 11 happened. In this regard following book will be important:

(1) Rouge State by William Blum.

(2) Ghost Wars by Steve Coll.

 

How Muslims view 9 11.  It is a generally believed by most Muslims and some Westerners that the 9 11 is the biggest orchestrated event of this century by CIA and MOSSAD to pursue their global policies around the globe. This was the same sort of operation planned by CIA in 1960�s in the Bay of Pigs/Guantanmo Bay named as Operation Northwood in (Cuba). The plan involved:

To train and deploy some 10000 exiled Cubans mercenaries in Bay of Pigs to start an armed resistance/attacking American base wearing the uniform of Cuban Army.

Blowing up American ships in and around Cuban waters.

Bombing the coast of Florida by the US Jets painted as Cuban air force.

But the plan failed in the initial stage as Castro killed or captured almost all the exiled Cuban mercenaries. So the next phase was immediately abandoned. The details can be found in the documents of Northwood first published in Australia by Jon Elliston �Psy War on Cuba: The De-classified History of US Anti-Castro Propaganda� ocean press 1999, and also �A Program of Covert Operation Against the Castro Regime� declassified CIA document dated 16 April 1961 (made publicly available in 2002).

 

Therefore most Muslims don�t buy the story that a handful of hijackers ARMED with fruit cutting knifes and nail cutters dodged the complete security system at the airports, Hijacked 4 planes, overpowered the pilots and passengers and banged them into the buildings (some of them in the prohibited airspace) while NSA and FAA was taking a nap. This sort of operation is not even possible in Bangladesh and Nepal what to talk of UNITED STATES.

There are some books published in Europe about 9 11:

 

(1) �The CIA and September 11� in which a former government minister of Research and Technology, Andreas Von Bulow, insinuates that the US and Israeli intelligence intelligence services blew up the World Trade Centre from the inside. The two Boeings, he claims, were flown in by remote control as a cover-up.

 

(2) "9 11 - A Big Lie" by Thierry Meyssan (translated in English).

 

(3) "Operation 9/11 - Angriff auf den Globus" by Gertiard Wisnewski (in German language).

 

(4) "Verschworungen Verschworungsth und die Geheimnisse des II.9." by Mathias Brokers bei Zweitausendeins. (in German language).

 

(4) "Pentagate" by Thierry Meyssan, translated as "The Pentagon Scandal" in Pakistan.

 

I am indeed not justifying the killing of some 3000 innocents on Sep 11, it was certainly an act of brutality which must be condemned by all. I am only presenting the genesis of the problem and that the facts presented by the US government are not at all true. May be we come to know that in 2030 once 9 11 files would be declassified.

 

The events of 9 11 are to be viewed in the light of the theories projected by the Western scholars. Like after the demise of Communism Mr. Francis Fukuyama presented the theory of "End of History" that by struggle through ages finally man has come to the end of the tunnel and we have devised a system which will last through the rest of the ages in shape of "Western Democracy".

 

This idea was refuted by Mr. Samuel P. Huntington, who claimed in �Clash of Civilizations and Re-making of the World Order� that we still have to face a confrontation amongst various civilizations especially Islam and Confucianism, which are inferior and incompatible to western civilization, will sooner or later join hands to confront the west. This theory was originally professed by the famous historian Arnold Toynbee, in his work �Study of History� but could not gain due attention due to the rise of communism.

This theory is now slowly taking the shape of reality due to a very well co-ordinated and planned course of action. This action involves:

(1)   Occasional statements from the Western leaders against Islam or about the superiority of Western values. (Like George Bush used the word crusades, Mr. Belescuoni said West has superior values and Islam is a religion of suppression, etc).

(2)   Media in west (FOX, ABC, SKY, MSNBC, BBC, WSJ, TIME WARNER, and the newspapers) which portrays Islam as a religion of terror.

(3)    Media in the Middle East like Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabia which portrays west as hostile to Islam.

(4)   Publications of books in the west hostile to Islam or giving wrong picture of Islam like of Irshad Manji �Trouble with Islam� , �Militant Islam Reaches America� by Danial Pipes, �Hatred�s Kingdom� by Dore Gold, �Why I am a Muslim� by Asma Gul Hasan etc.

(5)   Showing reports and publicising material which infuriate both Muslims and Westerners, like: Gruesome videos of western hostages in Iraq, pictures of Abu Ghraib prison, publishing cartoons of Prophet, airing video of British soldiers beating Iraqis, re-airing the picture from Abu Gharib prision etc etc. So let there be no break and we go on and on, on the collisionary course.

 

So there is lack of understanding and wisdom at the both ends and both Muslims and West has failed to realize that there is a third party pushing them towards the confrontation.

Muslim who realize all this are helpless as they are unable to control the extreme forces who see west, (as a whole) an enemy of Islam while on the other hand westerners are not ready to understand or accept the Muslim perspective and they view these ideas as conspiracy theory purported by the Muslims. More on 9 11 and the conspiracy against west and Islam can be found on the following web sites:

 

www.islamicparty.com (Islamic party of Britain founded by converted Muslims).

 

www.allaahuakbar.net/free-masons/index.htm (Gives the preview of the design of Freemasons and secret societies aiming to establish a global rule).

 

www.alfredlilienthal.com (An ex-official of US State department who himself is a Jew and strong critic of Zionism).

 

www.ifamericansknew.org (Established by Americans aiming to protect the civil liberties and their values against the force which covertly rule America).

 

Shams Zaman  [email protected]

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 February 2006 at 11:36am
Hi JW News, I am student too, in USA and a Muslim as well. Regarding your question, I can only say that before the incident the difference of atmosphere between the two worlds was poles asunder, with USA considered to be on the higher grounds. Now, after the incident, this difference is shrinking, day by day. Can't quantify. This change may not be reflecting from individual's behaviour, but through doctrinal changes in their laws. But then, its nothing surprising as every nation has ups and downs; this country is no exception.

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yeah right shams zaman, your "perspective" is anything but historical, more like a re-writing of history, in true muslim fashion.  just to pick out a few points - you state that "spain and ottoman empires (did they have more than one?) became the western colonies"  ---- what an utter lie this is.  the truth is that the muslims invaded and conquered and colonised spain and the balkans and attempted to islamize them.  a clear example of muslim imperialism.  they got kicked out in the end, and the people they had brought into their dreadful bondage once again breathed free air.  they even got as far as the gates of vienna, but were (praise God almighty) repulsed, and europe was not brought into the satanic bondage of islamic dhimmitude. 

you also have the audacity to mention east timor, without mentioning that it was invaded by the indonesian muslim predators in 1975, who proceeded to slaughter 200 000 out of a total population of 600 000, before retiring in shame and ignominy in 1999.  incidentally the western collusion in this vile episode is well documented, even in a site such as wikipedia.  also the oppression and killing in indonesia, motivated by satan, goes on, with the muslims continuing to oppress the people of God, for which evil our God, the only true God, will bring them into judgment.



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Originally posted by fredifreeloader fredifreeloader wrote:

yeah right shams zaman, your "perspective" is anything but historical, more like a re-writing of history, in true muslim fashion.  just to pick out a few points - you state that "spain and ottoman empires (did they have more than one?) became the western colonies"  ---- what an utter lie this is.  the truth is that the muslims invaded and conquered and colonised spain and the balkans and attempted to islamize them.  a clear example of muslim imperialism.  they got kicked out in the end, and the people they had brought into their dreadful bondage once again breathed free air.  they even got as far as the gates of vienna, but were (praise God almighty) repulsed, and europe was not brought into the satanic bondage of islamic dhimmitude. 

you also have the audacity to mention east timor, without mentioning that it was invaded by the indonesian muslim predators in 1975, who proceeded to slaughter 200 000 out of a total population of 600 000, before retiring in shame and ignominy in 1999.  incidentally the western collusion in this vile episode is well documented, even in a site such as wikipedia.  also the oppression and killing in indonesia, motivated by satan, goes on, with the muslims continuing to oppress the people of God, for which evil our God, the only true God, will bring them into judgment.

You're twisted, dude.

I'll tell you what a non-Muslim American thinks: the US had it coming. We've been bullying the world with our overthrows of democratic governments from Iran to Chile and on and on. Fools like freddi get a kick out of lying their way through the world and making it look the the US is a great nation. It was founded on the genocide of the native americans and the enslavement of the africans. It's a scumpit full of ignorant jerks and its deserved far worse than 9/11.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 February 2006 at 12:49am
Hello Skygazer,

Your eloquence will always put you in the limelight. Not only you are articulate but you surely did a lot of homework. A mature and realistic person indeed. I admire you qualities in terms of knowledge and high perspective.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 February 2006 at 12:51am
Note to Shams Zaman,

Thanks for your input. We all should watch the movie "Syriana". It enlightened individual's perspective on the insight of America and the Middle East.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 February 2006 at 12:56am

Originally posted by pauline35 pauline35 wrote:

Hello Skygazer,

Your eloquence will always put you in the limelight. Not only you are articulate but you surely did a lot of homework. A mature and realistic person indeed. I admire you qualities in terms of knowledge and high perspective.

 

Pauline, I know you were not intending to be funny.....but you made me laugh...

You can obviously recognize a rant but seem to have problems spotting a counter-rant.  :---)

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