Anti-science madness

Dear Tim the plumber,

I'm sorry, because I am not a scientist, but the story of the flood in the days of Noah it's the Word of God, and I believe in the Word of God. Below are some verses about the sequence of events in the time of Noah's flood.

QS (11): 37-38
"And make the ark with the supervision and guidance of Our revelations, and do not talk with Me about the wrongdoers. Indeed, they are to be drowned. "
"And Noah began to make the ark. Every time their leader walks through Noah, they mocked him. Noah said: "If you mock us, then we will also mock you as you mock us."

QS (7): 64
"So, they rejected Noah, then We saved him and those with him in the ark, and We drowned those who belied Our verses. They are people who are blind (blind the heart's eyes). "

QS (29): 14

"And verily We sent Noah to his people, and he remained among them a thousand years less fifty years. Then they were hit by big floods, and they are the ones who do wrong.�

Unfortunately, no one can live on the days of Noah until now, but whatever it is, I prefer to believe in the words of God who created mankind than to the opinions of mankind whose opinions are often different.
I would believe in the mankind opinions, when their opinions according to the words of God in the Quran.

Regards,
Asep

asep48garut60 wrote: Dear Tim the plumber, I'm sorry, because I am not a scientist, but the story of the flood in the days of Noah it's the Word of God, and I believe in the Word of God. Below are some verses about the sequence of events in the time of Noah's flood. QS (11): 37-38 "And make the ark with the supervision and guidance of Our revelations, and do not talk with Me about the wrongdoers. Indeed, they are to be drowned. " "And Noah began to make the ark. Every time their leader walks through Noah, they mocked him. Noah said: "If you mock us, then we will also mock you as you mock us." QS (7): 64 "So, they rejected Noah, then We saved him and those with him in the ark, and We drowned those who belied Our verses. They are people who are blind (blind the heart's eyes). " QS (29): 14 "And verily We sent Noah to his people, and he remained among them a thousand years less fifty years. Then they were hit by big floods, and they are the ones who do wrong.� Unfortunately, no one can live on the days of Noah until now, but whatever it is, I prefer to believe in the words of God who created mankind than to the opinions of mankind whose opinions are often different. I would believe in the mankind opinions, when their opinions according to the words of God in the Quran. Regards, Asep

If you were ever to do the basics of river errosion or geology you would understand that every single river valley in the world, every single place where sediment would have been depositied such as every single sea bed says that there there has never been a world flood.

This is not a matter of opinion. It is no more debatable than the fact that it rains.

Dear Tim the plumber,

Due to the flood has occurred centuries ago, the earth's surface has undergone changes naturally, and at that time the humans most were still gathered in the middle east and not as much as now, therefore, some people think that it's a world flood.

If I look carefully to the words of God in the 29:14, the interpretation of the word "Aththuufaanu" is "the great flood" not the world flood. So, my personal opinion is:
The great flood may include water covered the entire surface of the earth because we can't find a living witness in today, but surely that all the people of Prophet Noah drowned by the great flood (except the loyal followers) although the water did not cover the entire surface of the earth.

Regards,
Asep

@Ahmad

Thanks bro for your work to dig out the relevant verses of Quran to show that nowhere Quran declares the flood to be over whole world, but specifically for those who denied the Ayats of Allah, here implies tribes of Noah and around in a limited sphere. ........... Please just don't believe me and look at the verses yourself. The misperception is not unique to Christians but the Muslims as well, but their source is also baised due to biblical accounts.

As told, Ahmad we are not done yet with this discussion.

Well, first: No surprise that the Quran doesn't talk of "over the whole world". Nobody, including the prophet had a precise idea of what "whole world" really meant at the time. There are even claims that Mohamed thought the earth was flat and the the sun sets in murky water (18:86).

One can however gather facts from the Quran and the exegesis that make clear what was likely to be meant.

When looking at the Wiki entry on Noah you find the sentence under "Noah in Islam": Abdallah ibn 'Umar al-Baidawi, writing in the 13th century, explains that in the first of its three levels wild and domesticated animals were lodged, in the second the human beings, and in the third the birds. On every plank was the name of a prophet.
- i.a.W. implicitly a world wide flood.

Furthermore if you look at the translation of 23:27 in Corpus Quran you'll find that almost all translators imply a worldwide flood (and no one favours a local one).

In addition: in 71:26, Yusuf Ali:   And Noah, said: "O my Lord! Leave not of the Unbelievers, a single one on earth! .
So either God didn't bother much about Noah's wish, or much more likely: The Quran talks of a worldwide flood !

Now:
5 of the 7 translations of 11:44 state Mount Judi, the other two unspecifically of "On the Judi". If you want more have a look here for example.
So a clear majority for "on a mountain", implying hundreds of meters high.
Again this means a worldwide flood and not a local one.

Last not least, looking at the word by word translation of 23:27 in Corpus Quran (omitting parenthesis) you'll read:   then put into it of every mates two and your family...
So, as already established, no sign of "take only domestic animals" or "just take what you need for your own survival" statements.

To summarize: Historical Quran exegesis as well as more recent translators agree on the "worldwide flood assumption".   
The interpretation as "local flood" came probably from the infamous Mr. Bucaille and can -forced by the now established knowledge that a worldwide flood is impossible- rather safely be seen as a desperate attempt to "float with the tide" - to do the pun.

If you still insist on a local flood model, I would like to see some support from the Quran (supposed to be crystal clear) to corroborate your view.


Can you ?


Airmano

Edited by airmano - 19 October 2016 at 6:20am