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    Posted: 19 March 2006 at 7:43am
Nausheen wrote:

There is a hadith report that a couple had adopted a male child, of whom the husband grew jelous of. In this case the prophet (saw) adviced the mother to breast feed him, so he becomes a mahram to her.

The lady who may breast feed a baby is given the status of foster mother, and all her children become forster siblings to this baby - who are mahram in Islam.

If you legaly adopt a child, he will not become your mahram islamically, but the rights of inheretance can be given to him as per yours and your husband's will ie that is the case if the couple is muslim. 


Sister, can you please give reference for this hadeeth? because i read, only a  child under two years of age who has been suckled by that lady becomes her mahram. Hope you got my question...

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Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

Adopting older children, like my husband and I plan on doing will also be harder for Muslim women, I read a fatwa where if the woman can adopt a child before the age of three and through medical induction be able to breastfeed the child, it makes the boy or girl mehram to the family.  But if you adopt an older child, this is not possible.  All things to consider, but never to discourage.

And it seems I cannot stay away....the Lord has too much he wants me to do....Peace all of you. 

Hello Angela,

There is a hadith report that a couple had adopted a male child, of whom the husband grew jelous of. In this case the prophet (saw) adviced the mother to breast feed him, so he becomes a mahram to her.

The lady who may breast feed a baby is given the status of foster mother, and all her children become forster siblings to this baby - who are mahram in Islam.

If you legaly adopt a child, he will not become your mahram islamically, but the rights of inheretance can be given to him as per yours and your husband's will ie that is the case if the couple is muslim. 

I think adoption is a very beautiful way of givng homeless and deprived children a fresh opprotunity to find their individuality, confidence, and strength in this world. I commend you and your husband in having such plans. May allah bless you, reward you and guide you to all goodness.

Peace,

Nausheen



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hayfa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 January 2006 at 10:18am

My friend went on hajj for the 2nd or 3rd timethis past month. All of it is done in 'packages' these days to keep track of people. Groups of women go. I think, if my memory is correct go on a package through the mosque...

 On a PBS show about Hajj they talked about this. Was ironic that a woman who was divorced who had become a Moslem had to get her son-a non-Moslem's, permission to do Hajj.

I would consult the local mosque. They often have Hajj programs.

I've read a lot about adoption in Islam and you can as long as certain provisions are made, such as not changing the name, forbidding contact with birth family, if there is one, and inheritance is different.

Maybe it would seem more of a 'sponsorship' then what we term here in US, as legal adoption. As we were discussing on the other thread about social ills, having kids grow up without love and attention just adds to societies ills. Look at the lack of attention kids get and the problems.

 

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Adoption (legal adoption, not spiritual) in the US, makes us able to make medical decisions, provide healthcare, education and a home without the interference of the State Welfare agencies, and without risk of those agencies transferring the child to another home, which in the US are notoriously suspect in their treatment of foster children.

My husband and I are planning two upcoming adoptions.  Although we are white, one of the adoptive children will not be.  How could we possibly pretend to be this child's birth parents?  We could not.  I think its important that adoptive children know that they are special and loved all the more because they are special. 

There are ways to legally adopt a child as a Muslim.  Do not change the name of the child, be honest and loving with the child in regards to his or her parentage.  Enable the child to find their birth parents when they are old enough, provided they are still alive.  But instead of letting them to orphanages and foster homes, take them in.  There is nothing in American adoption law that says you HAVE to change the baby's name.  And its often unwise to change the older children's name anyway since that could cause them to have adjustment problems.

Adopting older children, like my husband and I plan on doing will also be harder for Muslim women, I read a fatwa where if the woman can adopt a child before the age of three and through medical induction be able to breastfeed the child, it makes the boy or girl mehram to the family.  But if you adopt an older child, this is not possible.  All things to consider, but never to discourage.

And it seems I cannot stay away....the Lord has too much he wants me to do....Peace all of you. 



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Zea J You are in the U.s.a. so you know the only way to become a gaurdian to a child is to adopt it. That does not mean that you have to pretend that you are the childs real parent or change the childs name. You can islamically adopt a child. So Muslims need to stop with adoption is haram. All adoption means is that you agree to be fully responsible for the child until it is 18. The rest is up to the individual that is adopting. Inshalla more people especially muslims WILL ADOPT!!!! Since there are way too many orphans in the world!!
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salaam

to Nausheen,       i was talking about the kind of adoption that Angela stated whereas one becomes  parent (s) to  someone's child.

and here is the prove,this is Surah 33.Al-ahzab.

 " They cannot be their mothers.None can  be their mothers except those who  gave therm birth"(58:2).

however,one can be a guardian or a caretaker instead.

"You will never attain piety and righteousness,(and eventually paradise)until you
spend of that which you love."(Al-Imran:92)
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hERJIHAD-me too!! I could use a new dad or even a big brother!! Mashalla my husband has an uncle I really love and would feel comfortable being escorted anywhere I needed to go by him!!!Peace
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Bismillah,

The way that people live the religion is different than the rules, however.  Many times I have seen an older woman become like an aunt to young men who come to college here in America.  Their sons bring them home, and they treat them like family because they are far from their family.  So this "adopted" nephew might take his aunt to the doctor or the grocery store or stop by and visit.

This is cultural adaption, and not Islaamically correct or deemed religiously acceptable behavior by scholars and sheikhs.  But in reality, there are sheikhs themselves who this occurs with.

That would be cool:  Adopt a new Muslim program, Mehrams needed.  I could use a new dad, but Islamically, it's not provided for.



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