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Matt Browne
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Posted: 17 January 2016 at 9:31am |
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Come on, the issue is even more serious than that. Saudi law does not only prohibit women from talking to a man (who isn't a relative watching her) it also prohibits women from getting too close to such a man, even without even saying a word. Saudia Arabia imposes one of the most strict versions of Sharia law. Here's a recent example from Banda Aceh in Indonesia, also exforcing inhumane, cruel Sharia law: "The whipping girl - Screaming in agony, a woman collapses as she and a man are caned under Sharia law in Indonesia merely for being 'seen in close proximity' to each other without being married. The woman was accused of getting too close to a fellow university student. She was brought to a mosque where she was caned in front of a crowd. The woman received five lashes and at end had to be taken to hospital. Under the law men and women, who are not spouses, are not allowed to get too close due to the 'khalwat' offence and punishment is by public caning." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3377187/Screaming-agony-woman-caned-crowd-close-proximity-man-not-married-Indonesian-region-s-sharia-law.html "Several sharia crimes, such as khalwat (close proximity of unmarried man and woman) are punishable ..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_law_by_country What do you know about khalwat? Is the article wrong? Edited by Matt Browne - 17 January 2016 at 9:36am |
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Matt Browne
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I think the ban has multiple reasons 1) Face veils violate the French dress code - there are limits on how you can appear in public - you can't be naked and you can't be fully cloaked 2) Face veils fuel hatred against Muslims far more than headscarves do thereby leading to more votes for right wing parties 3) Both headscarves and face veils are seen as discrimination against men, because the tradition assumes that men are primitive animals unable to control their urges 4) In many cases it's men forcing women to wear a face veil against their wishes 5) Face veils rob women of their individuality and make them look like indistinguishable black robots 6) Face veils are against the very nature of humanity - if you study the brain you'll find a large portion solely dedicated the interpretation of facial expressions which are a fundamental part of human communication I wish Germany had the guts to introduce a ban on face veils. But our politicians fear terrorist attacks as a result of introducing such a law. Edited by Matt Browne - 17 January 2016 at 9:21am |
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Matt Browne
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This is an excellent summary of the core of the matter. I wish Abuayisha had responded to this. I guess he ran out of arguments. Two of the most troubling aspects of the Quran are 1) The demonization of the disbeliever, promising hellfire and torture over and over again 2) The promise of entering paradise for martyrdom The Bible also contains lots of troubling aspects and not only in the Old Testament. The apostle Paul tells women to keep their mouths shut during community gatherings in the same manner Saudi clerics do today. The difference is that the Bible isn't the literal word of God and that Christianity evolved over the centuries and went through a painful process called Reformation. Women can be bishops, though not Pope yet. How was all this change made possible? Discourse. Criticism. Sometimes nastiness. It was necessary. And it was worth it. Today's Christianity, though far from being perfect, is a lot better than it was 600 years ago. And the discourse continues. Christians have learned to see criticism as an opportunity. I wish more Muslims had the same courage. Only a modern interpretation of Islam can help create a more peaceful world. Edited by Matt Browne - 17 January 2016 at 8:58am |
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I expressed my disagreement with particular literal interpretations. Why is this disrespectful behavior targeting Islam? I know numerous modern Muslims, who look at the symbolic meaning of the splitting the Moon. There are different ways to interpret religions, aren't there? |
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Matt Browne
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Well, your words seem to point to criticismphobia, because all I do is criticize a literal understanding of certain parts of holy books. I'm puzzled by this overreaction. I do respect people and because of that I might challenge some of what they say or write. I focus on the issue, not the person. When people say snakes can really talk or the moon was really split or Moses really parted the sea I voice my disagreement (the latter myth might have been inspired by the oral traditions created after the tsunami caused by the Minoan eruption) and this has nothing to do with trolling. Literalim can cause a lot of problems. It'd be irresponsible not to criticize it. |
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France adheres to a strict form of secularism, known as la�cit�, which is designed to keep religion out of public life. This principle was entrenched by law in 1905, after fierce anti-clerical struggles with the Roman Catholic church. http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/07/economist-explains-2 |
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hehehe - That made me smile. but seriously, how can you be the judge of what France's motivations are? The government is dealing with a serious problem. They are responsible for protecting the people, and for maintaining the stability of the nation. Just as you wouldn't trust a person walking into a bank wearing a ski mask, why would you feel any safer knowing that there were people determined to terrorize or bomb, allowed to walk around on the streets with their face covered? ... and I don't mean just muslims... anyone could don the burqa as a cover, if they wanted to do ill, and especially if they wanted that ill to be blamed on muslims. asalaam and blessings, Caringheart |
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Tim the plumber
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So what is the difference between that and all other social/business interactions in society? |
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