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And the one I posted is also better...

Bad luck: Airmano
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Originally posted by The Saint The Saint wrote:

Ok, here it is: Based on the smallest chapter in the Quran.

1. Unique Literary Form
2. Unique Linguistic Genre
3. Abundance of rhetorical devices/features:

The first two we have already seen.  They amount to nothing more than free verse.  As for an abundance of rhetorical devices, that is a matter of opinion (what is "abundance"?), but I can find plenty of rhetorical devices in the hypothetical "sura" I quoted in my opening post, as well as the passage from the Book of the Dead and for that matter in virtually all poetry.  There is nothing unique about rhetorical devices.

So that's it?  The challenge is to produce free verse with an abundance of rhetorical devices/features?  Really?  Perhaps Shakespeare was a prophet!  LOL
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In case I'm mistaken: I'm still waiting for a list from your side (and not another funny link).

Well, here it is:

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/three-lines-the-changed-the-world-the-inimitability-of-the-shortest-chapter-in-the-qur%E2%80%99an/

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I am looking forward to your list of criteria that you think defines the miracle/inimitability of the Quran.

Ok, here it is: Based on the smallest chapter in the Quran.

1. Unique Literary Form
2. Unique Linguistic Genre
3. Abundance of rhetorical devices/features:
- Emphasis
- Multiple Meaning
- Iltifaat � Grammatical shift
- Word order and Arrangement
- Ellipsis
- Conceptual Relatedness (Intertextuality)
- Intensification
- Choice of words & Particles
- Phonetics
- Semantically Orientated Repetition
- Intimacy
- Exaggeration
- Rebuke and contempt
- Conciseness
- Flexibility
- Prophesy/Factual

You can read all at: http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/three-lines-the-changed-the-world-the-inimitability-of-the-shortest-chapter-in-the-qur%E2%80%99an/
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Ah,

you're back to the "find yourself" business ?
Next step will be another dodgy website.

Actually, I never left the said business!Someone has to tell you what you should be doing.

A propos, website, googling for "inimitable Qu'ran" yields for example: this link.

Is it this what you mean ?

No! I am surprised you could not find this:

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/three-lines-the-changed-the-world-the-inimitability-of-the-shortest-chapter-in-the-qur%E2%80%99an/
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Actually I've never read the Egyptian Book of the Dead, but I found this passage........................


You also find men more attractive than women.
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Quote (one week ago) ...But I am in the process of putting together the criterias in terms that even you can understand.


Any progress with your criteria list ?


More than eager to see the result: Airmano



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I am not really interested in the Arabic term you use to describe it.  Theists love to give names to things, and pretend they have explained it -- as if, for instance, saying that Allah created the universe somehow explains how it was created.  Okay, i'jaz ul Qur'an means "inimitability of the Quran"; but what I want to know is why you consider it inimitable.

If by "a good article at Wikipedia" you mean the one on I'jaz (in which case why didn't you link to it?), I'm afraid it isn't much help.  It lists a whole lot of conflicting opinions from a variety of scholars, without favouring one opinion over another.  That's what a good Wikipedia article should do, of course, but it doesn't help me to know what your opinion is.

I am looking forward to your list of criteria that you think defines the miracle/inimitability of the Quran.
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