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    Posted: 04 January 2006 at 8:56pm
Sisters please read my post in general discussion on the new Sharia laws in Maylasia. Once again egotistical men are moving to take away womens rights. Now anyone who thinks this kind of Sharia is Islamic and what Allah and our Prophet meant, well prove it. A husband will be able to take away his wifes assets or freeze them even if those assets are from a previous husband. What are Muslims coming to, no wonder we are no longer protected by Allah....
You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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As-Salaam Alaikum sister,

No this is not Islam.  I read your post in the General Discussion area. All men are not bad.  I am sure your husband is a good brother, there are some good brothers on this forum(such as Israfil, and Rami), and by you teaching your Son about the value of women he will grow up to respect women and their rights.  I get really angry when I hear women being disrespect period, but especially within the Islam ummah.  My heart hurts.  But what really hurts is when some women allow it to happen.  For example,  I remember watching a television show about prositution and it was interesting to see the people who run some of the brothels houses are women.  Another example I was reading in Essence Magazine about how some women don't like the disrespect of women being shown in rap videos.  When essence magazine interviewed women who worked in the rap videos they loved doing what they do.  Women who work in pornography industry some of them love what they do.  I am going back to school to go higher up in the medical field(inshallah a doctor). I was happy when some sister supported me in my decision, but I was really surprised when sisters asked me why do I need to go school and get an education.  I don't need to work outside of the home my work is within the home, this is islam stay in your homes it is better for you.  Your husband is going to take care of you financially, and blah,blah, and blah.  I usually would expect that kind of talk from the brothers but wow. I feel it is up to the woman to work outside the home if she wants too.  If she feel she has a gift to help make the work better in a halal manner than all praises is due to Allah.  I believe my gift is to help heal people.  I bet you there are some women who support this so-called shariah, and if they do they deserve to be b-slapped.  We need to as an Islamic ummah to come with a plan to stop this, but I don't know how.

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Hakeema, I agree with you. Sadly some women support this kind nonsence. I have a very good husband and have no need to work at this time. However since my family is not Muslim and not doing well finacially I could not rely on them for help if anything happened to him. It would be up to me to care for my kids and my parents. The Ummah would not take me in, so I encourage all sisters to watch thier backs!! Your husband could change, or start drinking, or leave you for another woman. It is sad but true, you can not put all your trust in men. You can love them and be true as you can to them, but please sisters don't be stupid. I have seen too many women suffering because they trusted weak men too much. Sisters, STAND UP FOR EACH OTHER, WE NEED WOMEN LEADERS. MEN HAVE FAILED!!!!
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Bismillah,

Jenni, I feel I need to say something because I might become to busy to post later.  I haven't read the article on the front page, but I accept your summary of it as true. 

Women need to have a back-up plan, absolutely.  Some women are really taken care of by their Muslim husbands, and may Allah, SWT, bless and increase these brothers. 

The psychology of why women in these situations run brothels or say they like doing porn videos goes very deep into their lives.  I feel that I cannot put myself in their situations, their upbringing, their previous lifestyles, so I can't say that anyone wouldn't be doing what they are doing if they were subjected to lives they had.  They could have been childhood prostitutes and know nothing different for themselves.

That's why I take this chance to agree with Jenni that we need to encourage our girls to be able to support themselves as well as to say that we need to support women's ability to change themselves from really bad situations into better ones. 

Anyone in such a bad situation: Stop prostituting, and come into the light of Allah, SWT's, love for you and we will care for you as much as we can.  Open your hearts to Islaam and Allah's Mercy, and live better lives.  We will accept you because your evil situation is not of your making.  Even if at some point you could have left but didn't know where to go, you can leave now.  Just stop, so that you can start again.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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I think that the humans are essentially weak. Why would someone seek to oppress and control another? How do people distort what Allah has sent?

 

I think that some of what happens to women is that they have been told they are the �weaker� sex, whether that is physical, mental or emotional. Which is often then translated into being incapable. If you are raised in that mindset it will distort anyone�s view of themselves and the people around them.

 

I remember reading an article on the potential voting in Saudi Arabia. They interviewed a young woman who didn�t think women should vote as they were less capable of making an non-emotional decision. I guess it is hard to relate to that type of view. Ironically as Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of Islam and women are not allowed to vote. The only place in the world (that allows people to vote). 

 

In a strange sense I think that many men are weaker then women. I am talking on a different level. Women have to be strong to survive. Through the history of the world women have taken the brunt of the weaknesses of humans. At least in this life. Yes all people suffer, but let�s face it.. it is different for men and women.

 

I do wonder at times.. why it is difficult for people (men) to value women, to see that we hold up life?  Why would Allah ask you to marry, life, sleep, produce children with a supposed �less� then group of people? Would Allah really have you produce your children with something supposedly inferior?

 

The persistence of these ideas cross cultures and time continue to astound me.

 

My good friend from a country in Africa and I were talking and I asked how come violence persists there so much and she explained that if that is all you know that is what will happen. If you grow up in a world of violence, prostitution, bad behavior, you often will do what is around you. That is your norm.  Yes, many things are degrading. Absolutely. How to change it though is the tough thing.

Another example was the stories I read about people who wanted to leave the rigid, orthodox Jewish communities. The difficulties, even in a more open society like the US is incredible. It is psychological, sometimes physical and emotional.  Human conditioning is very strong.

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When I worked at the DV shelter, we saw it again and again. In a society that supposedly has given women empowerment.  Women who constantly return to their abusers or find new abusers and think somehow, this one will be different. 

I'm all for the traditional family.  But, its so hard to express to a woman that she is equal and valued without being called a feminist by some and explain its okay to seek a traditional role in the home without being told you support the evil patriarchy that has subjugated women for thousands of years.

Women are under attack from all sides. 

Radical feminists would see us all with butch hair cuts and taking over the corporate world, leaving baby making to the weaker women....destroying the family.

Male Chauvanists would strip us of our basic humanity and make us slaves and cattle.  Telling us we have no value but for breeding and keeping house.

Both sides are wrong.  Women must be strong, educated and hardworking.  With us lies the next generation and with us goes the family.  A woman of faith and integrity can do more good through her works than either model we are being forced into by others.

It starts with our daughters, its starts with us.

 

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Bismillah,

I agree with your remarks Hayfa and Angela and appreciate them.  Your statement about it starting with us and our daughters is inspiring.  If I had raised more gentle and less angry young men, I would say that I contributed greatly to ameliorating the situation.  When boys see anger, frustration, and aggression instead of cooperation and fair play, that's what they learn.  Girls too.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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My son will do his own laundry when he is 12. He will learn to cook, clean, pay bills and how to treat a woman. And when he gets married he better hope he never is rude to his wife in front of me or my husband. He would really get it from us. I will never give him more respect than my daughter or make him feel he is more important because he is a boy. Even though I love and adore him, my job is to turn him into a faithful good man. Not a spioled big mamas boy which is what so many women do. Ladies, raise your sons to be fathers and husbands, leaders in the community. Not egotistical A##holes which is what so many women do. Learn to tell them no. And please, encourage your daughters to marry the kindest man, not the most handsome or the most succsesful. Kindess takes you much further in a marraige than anything!! Peace
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