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MOCKBA 
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 Topic: ShariaPosted: 08 January 2006 at 10:12pm |
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Bismillah Asalamu'alaikum Sister Jenni, Jazzak Allahu khair for sharing the article and expressing your concern. These are people of "progressive Islam"... who are not comfortable with Islam and appoint themselves to improve it. It has nothing to do with women's status in Islam or relationship between men and women. It is the unfortunate state of today's worldly affairs when Muslims are being led by mostly corrupt individuals with little understanding of Islam, regardless what they wear and therefore appear to be. The abuse of polygamy could be one explanation why these people have decided to take such an idiotic action... elderly political figures who have gained weight and accumulated reaches (often unable to explain how?) are not willing to part with any portion of their "earnings" when they suddenly decide to tie a new knot with young hot celebrities... Obviously, the "first love" goes on a rebound and starts selling off whatever comes before her eyes in revenge... this is a disgusting picture that seems to be quite common among Malaysia's "who is whos. The unearned money, the blindness caused by the power, the lust that brings insanity... blind, deaf and dumb... The action has no basis that can be traced to Islam. It only serves as clear evidence to Muslims of what happens when Shari'ah is mixed with Civil Law, as in the case of Islamic state being built on the pillars of democracy... it is a recipe for degeneration and degradation in this world and utter regret in the world to come. Take it easy on men... real men (who are endangered species these days). Wasalaam. |
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Jenni
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Posted: 08 January 2006 at 9:02pm |
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There are many good men out there, look for them and wait. Someone who is kind and who prays ect. Some one who can talk to people of other faiths with dignity and respect. A man who will help his neighbor. That means more than a big house or fancy car. I allways love to see old people holding hands and walking together. They have walked through life together with love and respect, and after so many years still adore one another. Leave the harsh mean men alone!!!
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You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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sakeena
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Posted: 07 January 2006 at 8:30pm |
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Wow, what Jenni said is exactly what me and my sister were talking about today. Her husband is a nice man, but he's a mama's boy and grouchy. He doesn't help or know how to clean. His mom raised him like that, and his brother is the same. They're very spoiled. My mother raised my brother to be neat and clean, to be nice and not at all arrogant. Even so, he still has a bit of those male attributes and he used to have a small anger problem. But he sees how men treat women and their wives and he says "I couldn't be like that". I want to become a registered nurse before I get married. I think it is very important to help the world for the better, like Hakeema said ^^ Also, I want to be able to support myself and be independent, so whoever I marry will see that I'm not dependent upon him. When I get married, I want the man to be my husband and a great father for my kids, not my "provider". I feel I'm being a bit backwards with this idea, but I'd rather marry a poor, kind, humble man, than marry a wealthy arrogant b*stard. |
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Jenni
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Posted: 07 January 2006 at 3:37pm |
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My son will do his own laundry when he is 12. He will learn to cook, clean, pay bills and how to treat a woman. And when he gets married he better hope he never is rude to his wife in front of me or my husband. He would really get it from us. I will never give him more respect than my daughter or make him feel he is more important because he is a boy. Even though I love and adore him, my job is to turn him into a faithful good man. Not a spioled big mamas boy which is what so many women do. Ladies, raise your sons to be fathers and husbands, leaders in the community. Not egotistical A##holes which is what so many women do. Learn to tell them no. And please, encourage your daughters to marry the kindest man, not the most handsome or the most succsesful. Kindess takes you much further in a marraige than anything!! Peace
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You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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herjihad
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Posted: 06 January 2006 at 3:04pm |
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Bismillah, I agree with your remarks Hayfa and Angela and appreciate them. Your statement about it starting with us and our daughters is inspiring. If I had raised more gentle and less angry young men, I would say that I contributed greatly to ameliorating the situation. When boys see anger, frustration, and aggression instead of cooperation and fair play, that's what they learn. Girls too. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Angela
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Posted: 06 January 2006 at 11:04am |
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When I worked at the DV shelter, we saw it again and again. In a society that supposedly has given women empowerment. Women who constantly return to their abusers or find new abusers and think somehow, this one will be different. I'm all for the traditional family. But, its so hard to express to a woman that she is equal and valued without being called a feminist by some and explain its okay to seek a traditional role in the home without being told you support the evil patriarchy that has subjugated women for thousands of years. Women are under attack from all sides. Radical feminists would see us all with butch hair cuts and taking over the corporate world, leaving baby making to the weaker women....destroying the family. Male Chauvanists would strip us of our basic humanity and make us slaves and cattle. Telling us we have no value but for breeding and keeping house. Both sides are wrong. Women must be strong, educated and hardworking. With us lies the next generation and with us goes the family. A woman of faith and integrity can do more good through her works than either model we are being forced into by others. It starts with our daughters, its starts with us.
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Hayfa
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Posted: 06 January 2006 at 10:34am |
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I think that the humans are essentially weak. Why would someone seek to oppress and control another? How do people distort what Allah has sent? I think that some of what happens to women is that they have been told they are the �weaker� sex, whether that is physical, mental or emotional. Which is often then translated into being incapable. If you are raised in that mindset it will distort anyone�s view of themselves and the people around them. I remember reading an article on the potential voting in Saudi Arabia. They interviewed a young woman who didn�t think women should vote as they were less capable of making an non-emotional decision. I guess it is hard to relate to that type of view. Ironically as Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of Islam and women are not allowed to vote. The only place in the world (that allows people to vote). In a strange sense I think that many men are weaker then women. I am talking on a different level. Women have to be strong to survive. Through the history of the world women have taken the brunt of the weaknesses of humans. At least in this life. Yes all people suffer, but let�s face it.. it is different for men and women. I do wonder at times.. why it is difficult for people (men) to value women, to see that we hold up life? Why would Allah ask you to marry, life, sleep, produce children with a supposed �less� then group of people? Would Allah really have you produce your children with something supposedly inferior? The persistence of these ideas cross cultures and time continue to astound me. My good friend from a country in Africa and I were talking and I asked how come violence persists there so much and she explained that if that is all you know that is what will happen. If you grow up in a world of violence, prostitution, bad behavior, you often will do what is around you. That is your norm. Yes, many things are degrading. Absolutely. How to change it though is the tough thing. Another example was the stories I read about people who wanted to leave the rigid, orthodox Jewish communities. The difficulties, even in a more open society like the US is incredible. It is psychological, sometimes physical and emotional. Human conditioning is very strong. |
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When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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herjihad
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Posted: 05 January 2006 at 4:39pm |
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Bismillah, Jenni, I feel I need to say something because I might become to busy to post later. I haven't read the article on the front page, but I accept your summary of it as true. Women need to have a back-up plan, absolutely. Some women are really taken care of by their Muslim husbands, and may Allah, SWT, bless and increase these brothers. The psychology of why women in these situations run brothels or say they like doing porn videos goes very deep into their lives. I feel that I cannot put myself in their situations, their upbringing, their previous lifestyles, so I can't say that anyone wouldn't be doing what they are doing if they were subjected to lives they had. They could have been childhood prostitutes and know nothing different for themselves. That's why I take this chance to agree with Jenni that we need to encourage our girls to be able to support themselves as well as to say that we need to support women's ability to change themselves from really bad situations into better ones. Anyone in such a bad situation: Stop prostituting, and come into the light of Allah, SWT's, love for you and we will care for you as much as we can. Open your hearts to Islaam and Allah's Mercy, and live better lives. We will accept you because your evil situation is not of your making. Even if at some point you could have left but didn't know where to go, you can leave now. Just stop, so that you can start again. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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