Is there a 'GOD'

Matt wrote: Caringheart wrote: We decide how long we are caught in the battle... that's our free will. So you mean we choose interim actions, and god doesn't know what choices we are going to make? In which case he is not omniscient. Or do you mean we think we make choices but god knows what we are going to do, so the 'choice' is illusory? In which case we don't have free will. It would be nice to get a clear answer if that is possible.

Hi Matt,

Please see my reply to Airmano.

The choice is not illusory.
We can choose how long we want to stay in our misery...
how long we want to stay in the battle...
or whether we want to rise above.
I imagine there are some that choose over and over to stay in their misery... I call this hell.
The choice is between heaven and hell, and we choose.

asalaam,
Caringheart

Caringheart wrote: Matt wrote: It would be nice to get a clear answer if that is possible. Hi Matt,Please see my reply to Airmano. Caringheart wrote: I believe that I have shown, with logic, how it is that we do have free will, and how your postulation to my mind, is incorrect... that there is no paradox present, as you say.

You haven't shown anything. You haven't even presented an argument, let alone a logical one.

Caringheart wrote: There is a difference between 'determined' and 'known'. Part of what has been pre-determined is the factor of free-will. This does not negate the Creator knowing how, in the end, we must, and will, choose.

"In the end". Does god know what we will do in the meantime? I assume your answer is 'yes'.

Caringheart wrote: The choice is not illusory. We can choose how long we want to stay in our misery...how long we want to stay in the battle...or whether we want to rise above.I imagine there are some that choose over and over to stay in their misery... I call this hell.The choice is between heaven and hell, and we choose.asalaam,Caringheart

Is god omniscient? I assume your answer is 'yes'.

In which case your position is that we sometimes or always (you aren't clear on this) have free will to choose. But since god is omniscient he always knows what and when we will choose. Therefore, there is always only one option open to us and we never have the free will to choose.

This is a paradox demonstrating the falsehood of your position. Do you have a proper argument to counter this? All that babble about coming to god and staying away from god only serves to deliberately obscure the issue.

Come on! Surely after 2,000 years christianity has something better to offer in response to the compelling argument that it is impossible that both God is omniscient and that humans have free will.

Or perhaps our muslim friends have an answer? They've only had 1,400 years to think of one, but I suppose it is just possible they have something more persuasive to say on the issue than you have offered.

Edited by Matt - 27 August 2015 at 5:22am

The Saint wrote: No one said that the Almighty power determines everything. What is said is that He knows what is going to happen. He has given free will in the exercise of which an individual may either go left or right. He has that choice. God Almighty knows about the decision the individual will take. He permits the individual to do as he pleases.

27th August:
"Is god omniscient? I assume your answer is 'yes'.

"In which case your position is that we sometimes or always (you aren't clear on this) have free will to choose. But since god is omniscient he always knows what and when we will choose. Therefore, there is always only one option open to us and we never have the free will to choose."

Still waiting for a response Caringheart

But as this is an interesting philosophical question, I'll give you another chance by approaching the issue from another angle. Say I reach a decision point x where I can choose either option a or b. As your god is omniscient he knows what I will choose. In this case lets assume he knows I am going to choose a.

So... (drum roll) at x is it possible for me to choose b?

Go on Caringheart... have a go at answering a straight question with a straight answer.