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earth_as_one
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Denying the holocaust obviously touched a nerve. But I don't see the point of raising the topic. Is Iran trying to provoke a war? What's up? Can any one here explain this: References http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/60AE1720-F333-4869-97 4D-3B69283105BF.htm http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1920074_1,00.ht ml http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/12/18/20 03284923
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I think Iran is seeing it's population increasingly becoming pro-democratic and drifting away from the grip of the religious esteblishment, this ofcourse does not sit well with them so they are trying to provoke a war it seems as a way to radicalize the civilian population against the west as has been done in Iraq through a media propaganda campaign using civilian casualties as a way of incitement with slang words like "judeo-christian crusade". One thing is for sure, Iran will put up a much stiffer resistance then Iraq i believe, and this on it's turn would give rise in the ranks of those who wish to fight against The US and the west, basically it will cause a wider conflict. I believe the considerations are wether such a widening of the conflict would mean a strategic gain or disadvantage, and i believe Iran thinks it would mean a disadvantage otherwise it would not have acted this way, same thing as North Korea did right after the US invaded Iraq with announcing they got nukes... "But i might be wrong"
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ak_m_f
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Iran just comitted suicide |
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earth_as_one
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Thanks for the response Community. My understanding is that Iran elects their leaders after they have been screened by the religious authority. The people pulling the strings of power behind the scenes are religious. That makes Iran a Theocracy. In a way, here in Canada, in the west in General and especially in the US our political candidates also go through a screening process. If you don't have the support of the wealthy elite and the media moguls, you will never be heard. Sure anyone can run, but without millions of dollars behind you, you haven't a chance. The people pulling the strings of power behind the scenes are the wealthy elite. That's makes most western nations, Plutocracies. Both systems seem only partially Democratic. Or they create an illusion of Democracy. One is based on piousness, the other on greed. Personally I really don't care for either system. I wish we had a movement here in the West to become more Democratic. I'm not a Muslim, but provoking a war, seems well, un-Islamic. If I understand Islam, its a peaceful and tolerant Religion. Sure like any religion it has its fanatics who would hide behind a religious facade to promote hatred and violence to further their ambition driven agenda. Surely the Iranians know that a direct conflict with the US/Israel would be, as ak_m_f noted, suidical. As the recent invasion of Iraq proved, these nations have the power and the will to invade and occupy other nations. So I wonder what the advantage is? The US is bogged down in Iraq. From my observations of the US, starting another war would be unpopular. Is Iran ready for war? If so they better have a way to neutralize America's air superiority. If it came down to a purely ground based war, I think Iran could defend itself. So based on your response I did some research. This link analyses how Iran might fight the US http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/18401 This link shows Iran has domestic reserves of uranium ore http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/mines.htm Iran's military http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_9944.shtml Iran's purchase of Russian Tor-M1 surface to air missile systems. http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/88/354/16570_Iran.html I'm not an expert, but it looks to me like Iran still needs time to be able to defend itself from the US. Its still a couple of years away from possessing nukes. Its air defenses are still a work in progress. But it does have a significant CW and BW capability. Overall, the best Iran can hope for is a draw. More likely a war with the US will result in a invasion/occupation. I still don't see the logic behind Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's anti-Israel remarks. |
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Such comments sit well with those who hold such an extreem agenda and if Iran gets into a conflict he will need support for these kind of people, i think they expect to engage a guerilla war in which the plan is to tire the US down and maybe expects North Korea to join in and whoever else see their chances as more favorable. But i do not believe the US is taking the bait. I think Iran just needs a couple of generations, or maybe by the next one this kind of extreemism would be gone. It is a matter of perspective wether to see the best way forward for all the safety of Israel in which it does not feel threatened by it's neighbours and that this would mean greater freedom for the palestinians and an agreeable settlement of the Jerusalem issue or if this would embolden Israel to take greater parts of the region as some believe, and since the extreemist voices sound so loud through loudspeakers it is hard for us to ignore it and such voices are perceived by some as favorable to their own interests. Although the majority i believe truely wishes peace, it is a small minority that works as hard as possible to instill misplaced fears in people and make them act unjustly on the basis of these misplaced fears. This is done by giving extreemists loudspeakers for instance(lol)
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Whisper
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Is Iran trying to provoke a war? Did you just wake up from some deep slumber? The war has been going for ages. Is there any harm in holding a different view from the great masters of the universe on, say, the truth of the holocaust or anything else? |
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Whisper
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as a way to radicalize the civilian population against the west Yaar, be honest (despite the fact you are an Amreeki at the end of the day) does anyone need anything to radicalise anyone as if "west's" filthy policies were not enough? |
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