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tawhid
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Posted: 30 March 2005 at 4:38pm |
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The earliest complete Koran manuscript in existence in museums today are hundreds of years after Muhammad died: The Muslim false claim: "In other words: two of the copies of the Qur�an which were originally prepared in the time of Caliph `Uthman, are still available to us today and their texts and arrangement can be compared, by anyone who cares to, with any other copy of the Qur�an, be it in print or handwriting, from any place or period of time. They will be found to be identical." (Von Denffer, Ulum al-Qur�an, p 64) The truth: Although Muslims proclaim they have a Koran that dates to the time of Muhammad, the Reality is different. Two ancient copies of Koran that are in existence are the Samarqand MSS is in Now we do have one ancient copy of the Koran written in the Ma'il style of script, that is housed in the It is unknown, even by Muslims that authorities will not release photographs of the ancient Topkapi manuscript in Even the earliest fragmentary manuscripts of the Koran are all dated no earlier than 100 years after Muhammad died. Add to this the fact that there is no archeological evidence dated at the time when Muhammad was alive, by way of artifact, manuscript or inscription has ever been found were Muhammad is actually referred to as "a prophet". If you don�t believe me, listen to faithful Muslim, Ahmad Von Denffer, in his book, Ulum al Quran, in a chapter called, Old Manuscripts Of The Qur'an, "Most of the early original Qur'an manuscripts, complete or in sizeable fragments, that are still available to us now, are not earlier than the second century after the Hijra. [or 800 AD] The earliest copy, which was exhibited in the |
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Angel
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Interesting
It may not be so much about being afraid, although I don't rule it out, the book could be very delicate for handling, some ancient books are very sensitive to the open environment and even if you try to reproduce a new copy in digital format and this would be the most likely way these days, it is a very slow and also a delicate process done in a controled environment. But then again, maybe its paronia on the authorities |
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wasalaam ok if thats the case...the the quran is not Gods word... how can it be that if it asks any doubters to produce a sura better...and the original quran is too delicate to read... how can there be a challange to prove the veracity of the quran ? in other words...there is not a challenge to begin with...because "god's word" is too fragile to handle in order to somehow try to "prove" that there is some writing made better- no? even so...such a claim is relative tawhid Edited by tawhid |
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no objections?
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Angel
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hey I do have others things to do besides here and there is the time difference to for the time being:
What is fragile is the paper not the words. You're saying just because something is fragile to handle cannot be, in this case God's word (or maybe not God's word)
Where do you get that from my statement ? I never said that because its fragile to reproduce is not God's word. |
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I agree completely. But's what's really late is the adhadith, which seems to me to be the source of most muslim beliefs. |
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yesha, tawhid was speaking to me as I hadn't replied
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