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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

Osama bin laden and his like all interprate the Quran for them self,
this is what you are advocating, you reutinely ignore key points for
which you have no answer for.

Dont preach your version of Islam on this forum we are sunni muslims
here meaning we accept the Quran the sunnah the companions and the
tabiin, you clearly do not.

Ask the people of dhikr is asking the people of knowledge, ilm is a
form of dhikr and is a far superior form of worship than reciting the
Quran or names of allah without contemplating them. The angels lower
there wings for a person who seeks knowledge, this is the status of a
seeker of knowledge and place him on a path to jannah.

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rami Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549	Post Options Post Reply Quote rami Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 December 2005 at 7:10pm
	Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem Osama bin laden and his like all interprate the Quran for them self, this is what you are advocating, you reutinely ignore key points for which you have no answer for. Dont preach your version of Islam on this forum we are sunni muslims here meaning we accept the Quran the sunnah the companions and the tabiin, you clearly do not. Ask the people of dhikr is asking the people of knowledge, ilm is a form of dhikr and is a far superior form of worship than reciting the Quran or names of allah without contemplating them. The angels lower there wings for a person who seeks knowledge, this is the status of a seeker of knowledge and place him on a path to jannah. Edited by rami
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

Community Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 19 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1135	Post Options Post Reply Quote Community Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 December 2005 at 4:21pm
	Allah sent down the koran, as a warning, a reminder and a glad tiding to the faithful. Anyone who wishes to stand between Allah and the people by forcing himself upon the people to be obeyed i shall remove from the way. By disbelieving in him who is a taghoot, and by fighting against those who let themselves be manipulated to such an extent that they take up arms for his sake against those who are unwilling to bow down before him nor fear his threats but fear Allah alone. The opressors have killed enough of the faithful and enough have fled their countries because of them. And my patience is near running out with them because i will not allow them to destroy those who fled them the first time. In their arrogance and insolence they perceived the faithful fleeing from them as them being powerful, but now the man is turning around because they became jelous of his success and tried to blame him for the injustice in his society and the world and forgot their own injustice, they attacked in their anger and that is the limit. Look at their neighbour how he lets him starve while he has all the luxuries and only gives to those who obey his way. Ordering to kill those he declared as apostates while they are faithful and even some of them messengers. I warn them with this warning, Next time you see us coming you better run. Edited by Community

Community Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 19 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1135	Post Options Post Reply Quote Community Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 December 2005 at 4:16pm
	The insolence is when people command others that they need others beside Allah to be guided, by trying to instill fears into the people for other then Allah. Such terrorism worked for them because of their fear for other then Allah, but those who do not let themselves be terrorized and fear Allah alone it is something that angers them because of the injustice it brings along.

Community Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 19 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1135	Post Options Post Reply Quote Community Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 December 2005 at 1:27pm
	As for the ungrateful unjust, whom associate others with Allah, who are not content with Allah alone and need others for guidance, either they sease, repent and take a way to Allah or be ruined. Edited by Community

Community Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 19 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1135	Post Options Post Reply Quote Community Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 December 2005 at 1:20pm
	Fasa'aloo ahla adhikri in kuntom laa ta'lamoon, Dhikr means rememberance, it is in no way a justification for scholars or the esteblishment that appoints scholars by their terms. Remember that Adam was an enemy to no one but shaitaan chose to be his enemy. So a true humanbeing is an enemy to no one but others take this true human being as an enemy and then he needs to defend himself against them. Remember that the first letter that came out of Adam's mouth was A, because this is the easiest letter to prunounce, all you do is open your mouth and breath out while using your vocal cords, it is also the first letter because we can find the trace of it being the first letter ever pronounced by a human when we observe a baby when it is born and cries out "aaaa". Remember that Adam used the first letter A for no other then His Lord. A then he pointed up with his tongue where he holds His lord LL above all and everyone, then he let his tongue fall in his mouth A and then when his lungs ran out of air, "hh" the last letter is the letter "ha" the last letter a humanbeing prunounces in this life through his last breath "hhh". Remember that Allah is The First "Aa" above all and everyone "LL" The Last "Ha". Remember that we come into the world while pronouncing the "A" and we leave while pronouncing the "ha" and in between brith and death it is up to us to hold fast to Him who is above all and everyone "LL". Remember that Allah is The first name ever pronounced. Innamaa yakhsha Allaha min 'ibaadihi al 'ulamaa, inna Allaha 'azeezun ghafoor. Verily those who dread Allaha from amongst His servants are those who have knowledge, verily Allah is Mighty Ever Forgiving. This verse is no justification for esteblishments of religious scholars and their appointed agents. It is simply and indication of whom have knowledge, it is those who dread Allah. Now i have given you knowledge which no scholar ever told you, so fear Allah alone so that you may prosper. Edited by Community

fatima Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: 04 August 2005 Status: Offline Points: 979	Post Options Post Reply Quote fatima Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 December 2005 at 12:58pm
	bismillah irrahman irrahim Assalamu alaikum May Allah swt guides us all, My lord is witness over this brother that ur posts sort of scared me, only prophets as u said urself r immuned to mistakes bcos of the protection of our lord, just ur thoughts on this verse from quran "Ask those who recall if you know not" 16:43 wassalam

Community Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 19 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1135	Post Options Post Reply Quote Community Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 December 2005 at 11:01am
	There is nothing wrong with clearing the way of Allah from those who hinder men from it. If you believe i am hindering men from the way of Allah then fight me and spare me not, but do it according to the sunnah, with the sword and with honor. I am of opinion that you holding to your methodology hinders men from the way of Allah, not just the religious esteblishment of Saudi arabia.

Community Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 19 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1135	Post Options Post Reply Quote Community Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 December 2005 at 10:50am
	If you are not even prepared to fight for your claims that tafsir are justified and you can not interpert the koran by yourself, if you are not even prepared to die for your beliefs and remove the fitnah then you should stop preaching it. You have no sense of honor if you keep doing it while not being prepared to stand by it as being the truth. Edited by Community