Sins

Salam

Brother Community, please, I beseech you to start another thread.  Your comments are not relevant to this thread topic.  I so want to make comments on what you are saying but out of respect for Brother Premed96, I feel this is not right�

Can�t a moderator do something about this flagrant violation of the forum rules?????

PAZ

Khadija

Angel wrote: Community wrote: Listen, i am prepared to stand by what i say and prove anyone wrong who believes i am wrong. And what if you are wrong ? will you accept? I am not. It seems to be that you don't accept rami's point of veiw but clearly mark him wrong. How is he wrong ? He believes you need others with claims that the prophet said things which can never be proven since he is not with us, and that we need scholars to explain the koran for us, basically he commands people to put others between them and Allah. And he even dares to call those who do not accept this as not being upon the way of the prophet or the rightly guided. And this insolence needs to end.

Do you think you can explain this, please ? I understand the first part before the comma, but the sword bit I'm lost (and i guess that its not literally a phyically sword   well I hope its not  

If he is not a coward by preaching what he is not prepared to die for then it is a physical sword. The tradition of the prophet is fighting with the sword, and i wish to bring the sunnah back to this sick ummah.

 Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Community,

There are several people who do not understand the difference between the genuine ulema and ulema-e-soo, or the bad scholars. It seems you are also a victim of the same problem.

There are many Quranic translations and their tafsirs that are banned in Saudi Arabia - because it does not suit the authorites there. In the same way there may be many Quranic translations and tafsirs Printed from Saudi arabia that have the potential to mislead the readers.

If people misinterpret, misunderstand and miscommunicate any knowledge, it does not primarily mean we should reject the very system of understanding this deen through correct sources of that knowledge.  eg, if people have started misusing the sharia it does not mean the error is in the sharia. If people twist or misinterpret hadith or ayaat from the Quran does not mean we should discard these.

You and many others in this ummah want to discard all the scholars just because of many ulema-e-soo we have seen in almost all ages. Unfortunately, such people are missing on a huge treasure of knowledge that they can never arrive at - through self study - in a single lifetime.

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah.

bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

This whole conversation bemuses me, at the end of the day inshaAllah all of us are trying to please our lord. so does any of us has an authority r certificate from Allah (swt) r our dear prophet Muhammad (saw) that makes us so arrogant that we know 100% that we r right n the others r on wrong?  even bcos of some knowledge that our lord has given us we think there is more evidence of us being right, then is this the way to propagate it? if u insult a person, make fun of them there is no chance in the world u make them listen n ponder over what u said.  at the end of the day our deen is not just about us alone being on the right way, it is our duty to spread the truth bcos it is right of our dear lord to be known and to be worshiped and this is not the way

Now coming to point community made about only following Quran and hadith, I for one strongly believe that these two sources are which u cannot deny, must and have to obey.  rest of the things u take from scholars n u say no to some.  Now Quran alhamdulillah Allah (swt) will keep it safe till the end of times, ahadith? how did we get them? through "scholars", so according to ur own theory they cant be trusted, so what do we do? I mean no point looking too far for implication, how do we know bout salah becos there is no ayah about how to perform salah, is there? so how do we perform it? 

just trying to make a point brother, these people went to alot of trouble to gain the knowledge, about hadith scholars it is said that they use to travel to c people who narrated the hadith to ask about the credibility of people n check every thing out. me and u and many other people in whom Allah (swt) put thirst of knowledge, we should know how it is, alhamdulillah I do it to please my lord, if some1 doubts my intention, it hurts (ok being less dramatic it feels bad) so how can we do something to others we dont wana take ourselves.

I am not sure how much u hav read tafsir ibn kathir but ayaat which need further explanation than meanings, one of most used ravi he talks about is ibn abbas.  I am sure u know that we should not judge any1 b4 knowing them n these people we know them through their work.  reading tafsir u get this immense feel of how much this person loves his lord, is in awe of his lord.  but at the end of the day if u dont wana trust them atleast dont say bad stuff about them. simple rule u cant say anything good r bad about a person u dont know much about. I pray from Allah for hadaya for all of us inshaAllah.  n please forgive me if u felt bad about anything i said.

wassalam