IslamiCity.org Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Religion - Islam > Interfaith Dialogue
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - The Original Sin  What is Islam What is Islam  Donate Donate
  FAQ FAQ  Quran Search Quran Search  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedThe Original Sin

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12345 47>
Author
Message
kingskid View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Avatar

Joined: 01 November 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 125
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 December 2014 at 3:35pm
Saint, you wrote:thanks.

Kingskid, Still awaiting a response to above. Happy Christmas.

------------------------------------

Response to above?  All I see are my comments.  Sure you have not been imbibing the fruit of the palms and grapes, Saint?  Sura 16:69 Wink  (If you had questions buried in all the comments back and forth, please restate them clearly so I can respond.  Thanks!)   


Edited by kingskid - 23 December 2014 at 3:49pm
kingskid
Back to Top
The Saint View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 07 November 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 832
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 5:38am
Originally posted by kingskid kingskid wrote:



Saint, you wrote:thanks.Kingskid, Still awaiting a response to above. Happy Christmas.------------------------------------Response to above?� All I see are my comments.� Sure you have not been imbibing the fruit of the palms and grapes, Saint?� Sura 16:69 [IMG>smileys/smiley2.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />� (If you had questions buried in all the comments back and forth, please restate them clearly so I can respond.� Thanks!) ��

Alhamdolillah, I am a true Muslim. I love fruits but the derivatives of such which may cause one to forget who he/she is, or where he/she is, are not permitted to me. So, the answer is no.

It seems you tried to avoid answering. But I shall get back with my questions.

Don't go yet.....




Edited by The Saint - 27 December 2014 at 5:46am
Back to Top
The Saint View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 07 November 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 832
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 5:45am
I was talking about this one! Did you overlook this post, kingskid?

"Jesus PBUH used to say believe in the evidence of the works. He always emphasized on good works.

"or at
least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

All along Jesus PBUH was referring to his teachings which were as intended by God. Which is why, as opposed to your interpretation, he said in works he and his father were the same.

Those words were intended metaphorically. Just as the following are:

"Whoever receives this child in my name receives me; and whoever receives me receives Him who sent me;" (Luke 9:48). See simple!

How about:
"...and that I do nothing on my own, but I speak these things as the Father instructed me." John 8:28

"...I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak." John 12:49.

and last but not least:
Jesus said: "Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither one who is sent greater than the one who sent him." (John 13:16).

Aren't the above verses so transparent and clear that Jesus never claimed divinity?"

02 December 2014 at 6:18am By The Saint
Back to Top
Caringheart View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 02 March 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 2991
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2014 at 4:43pm
Originally posted by The Saint The Saint wrote:

I was talking about this one! Did you overlook this post, kingskid?

"Jesus PBUH used to say believe in the evidence of the works. He always emphasized on good works.

"or at
least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

All along Jesus PBUH was referring to his teachings which were as intended by God. Which is why, as opposed to your interpretation, he said in works he and his father were the same.

Those words were intended metaphorically. Just as the following are:

"Whoever receives this child in my name receives me; and whoever receives me receives Him who sent me;" (Luke 9:48). See simple!

How about:
"...and that I do nothing on my own, but I speak these things as the Father instructed me." John 8:28

"...I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak." John 12:49.

and last but not least:
Jesus said: "Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither one who is sent greater than the one who sent him." (John 13:16).

Aren't the above verses so transparent and clear that Jesus never claimed divinity?"

02 December 2014 at 6:18am By The Saint

Greetings The Saint,

I always think in this way...
can the arm do anything without the brain?
and yet they are part of the same body.

asalaam alaykum,
Caringheart
Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis
Back to Top
The Saint View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 07 November 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 832
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 March 2015 at 4:30am
Greetings The Saint,

I always think in this way...
can the arm do anything without the brain?
and yet they are part of the same body.

asalaam alaykum,
Caringheart


Greetings CH

I am asking you can the brain do anything without the arm? The two are not co-equal.


Peace
The Saint
Back to Top
Caringheart View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 02 March 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 2991
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 March 2015 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by The Saint The Saint wrote:

Greetings The Saint,

I always think in this way...
can the arm do anything without the brain?
and yet they are part of the same body.

asalaam alaykum,
Caringheart

Greetings CH

I am asking you can the brain do anything without the arm? The two are not co-equal.

Peace
The Saint

Greetings The Saint,

Your statement would seem to demonstrate that they are co-equal.

asalaam,
Caringheart
Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis
Back to Top
The Saint View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 07 November 2014
Status: Offline
Points: 832
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 March 2015 at 12:46am
The brain can continue its function even if the arm is cut-off. But if the arm is cut-off it will become dead meat. That means they are not co-equal.

Peace
The Saint
Back to Top
Caringheart View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior  Member
Avatar

Joined: 02 March 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 2991
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 March 2015 at 1:09pm
Originally posted by The Saint The Saint wrote:

The brain can continue its function even if the arm is cut-off. But if the arm is cut-off it will become dead meat. That means they are not co-equal.

Peace
The Saint

Greetings The Saint,

The brain might be able to continue its function....
it might be telling the arm to move the hand to pick up something...
but without the arm the brains function becomes a non-function.
So it seems that they are co-equal... both needed to complete the function.  Smile

asalaam and blessings,
Caringheart
Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12345 47>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.03
Copyright ©2001-2019 Web Wiz Ltd.