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Originally posted by Muslim75 Muslim75 wrote:

Colonialism started way before the end of the Ottoman Empire.


Yes, of course. Alexander the Great, the Romans and many others, although the term for their empires was different. In my post I was mainly referring to the British and French colonial empires that came when the Ottoman empire continued to decline.

Quote The Ottoman Empire is not a thing of the past. It represented Allah's order on earth. Allah's order on earth started with Muhammad (saas) and will continue on to the Day of Judgment, without interruption. The Ottomans waged countless wars in the name of Islam and they were entitled to do so. They were successful.


Well, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and others might hold on to this silly dream of a neo-Ottoman empire.

They were entitled to do so? Entitled by whom? No one is entitled to subjugate other peoples or nations. Anyone who claims otherwise is a dangerous radical who has learned nothing from the mistakes of the past.

Quote IS (The organisation called the Islamic State) is not entitled to wage war in the name of Islam, because they are not representing Islam or the Muslims in any way; and because the conditions for such wars are not met.




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Originally posted by Matt Browne Matt Browne wrote:

The Ottoman empire was an aggressive form of Islamic imperialism, like the Colonial imperialism of the West that followed. Today we know better. Today we try to stick to following the human rights charter, instead of glorifying past empires.

Originally posted by Muslim75 Muslim75 wrote:

 
This thread is dedicated to the Magnificent Ottoman Empire.
 
Do not come in this thread to insult Islam. I do not wish to say it again.


The "Magnificent" Ottoman Empire? Is this supposed to be some kind of a joke?


How "magnificent" was the sacking of Constantinople? The murder of over a million Armenians? The ethnic cleansing and mass murder of Greeks?

The conquests and occupation of the Balkans? Armenia? Greece?

Do you know who the "janissaries" were? Children taken from their parents, put into the army and forced to fight and kill. Charles Taylor would have been impressed.

Like their "Christian" counterparts who ruled European states, the "Muslim" Ottoman rulers were a bunch of imperialist aggressors, who conquered and occupied those around them.


You call them "magnificent"? Shame on you.

You are no different than the *****s who defend the Crusades.


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Originally posted by Muslim75 Muslim75 wrote:

Colonialism started way before the end of the Ottoman Empire.
 
The Ottoman Empire is not a thing of the past. It represented Allah's order on earth. Allah's order on earth started with Muhammad (saas) and will continue on to the Day of Judgment, without interruption.
 
The Ottomans waged countless wars in the name of Islam and they were entitled to do so. They were successful.
 
IS (The organisation called the Islamic State) is not entitled to wage war in the name of Islam, because they are not representing Islam or the Muslims in any way; and because the conditions for such wars are not met.

Greetings muslim75,

According to your definition, what would those conditions be?

In what way were the Ottoman(islamic) wars of conquest justifiable?

asalaam,
CH

note:  I don't see where Matt Browne was 'insulting islam'... just stating his view of the Ottoman empire... a political power... just as all politcal powers can be critiqued... British empire and colonialism, Nazi regime, Communist(Stalin) regime, Spanish inquisitions, apartheid in S. Africa, etc., etc., etc.
Peace and blessings to you.


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The Ottoman empire was an aggressive form of Islamic imperialism, like the Colonial imperialism of the West that followed. Today we know better. Today we try to stick to following the human rights charter, instead of glorifying past empires.



Edited by Matt Browne - 02 October 2014 at 3:03am
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