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    Posted: 22 December 2014 at 6:22am
Hello Mr. Brian,

Would you please state in points how was the Othoman Empire so aggressive.
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Hello Caringheart,

Minaret was used for the Call of prayer when there were no Microphnoes.
But it was not there in the days of the Prophet Muhammed, it started to appear as Islamic population & land increased.
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I see we're back to the days of censoring information...

that is sad.
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except that, like all dynasty's it fell because of over reach... it too fell when it insisted on over reaching the bounds of acceptance... when its corruption became too great to tolerate.

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Originally posted by Muslim75 Muslim75 wrote:

Originally posted by kodoo kodoo wrote:

I am from Turkey and I know the history of Ottomans more than any.

Though Ottoman Empire was a barrier to the western invasion (crusades) and I like it, and the nation was Islamic.

Other than that, the leaders were hypocrite. They never worked to serve the nations. They always were after worldly gains. From its beginning. Look up how it was founded. There were many Dynasties after the Seljuks split up. And Ottoman Dynasty fought each and every one of these Muslim Dynasties to have their lands. Later, fighting Iranian Muslims. Later fighting Mamluk Muslims (Egypt) over and over. Look up Ottoman-Egypt wars. The emperors were always after power. They made Muslims fight against each other. They were this sickeningly attached to their thrones and worldly gains that, even they made it permissible to kill every innocent relative of theirs even in the cradle (so that there won't be a fight for throne). Look up how "Mehmed the Conqueror" killed his own baby brother. Look up how "Suleiman the Magnificent" killed 17 of his family members (children, nephews, grandkids in the cradle). etc. They had nothing to do with Islam. They were just a bunch of rulers after worldly gains.

But Ottoman nation was great in general, though they were used against other Muslims (Persia, Egypt) sometimes. And sadly, the history is repeating itself. And now Turkish regime is after joining the EU, to serve NATO causes more and the government is using the nation to fight against Muslims in the region. So sad, how the progeny of that great nation -whcih stood up against western colonialism- is now used for NATO colonialism against Muslims of the region.
 
Islamic traditional knowledge holds as a tenet that Allah Almighty made possible to carry the Ottoman crown only for most select people. An Ottoman Sultan is not like an ordinary person.


So it was OK for him to commit murder then?

Killing his relatives in the cradle is OK?

If that's how Islam works you can see why it gets a bad rep.
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Originally posted by Muslim75 Muslim75 wrote:

Glorious Ottomans.
 
In 1453, the Ottoman troops of Sultan Mehmet II take Constantinople and put an end to the Byzantine empire. They establish their domination over the majority Christian part of eastern Mediterranea. Crusades are crushed in Nicopolis, Varna and Algiers.

Greetings Muslim75,

Do you understand why the crusades started to begin with?  (they were a reaction, not an aggression... they were a reaction to an aggressor and oppressor) ... and supposedly islam teaches against oppression?

Look up 'the first crusade'.

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You are quite correct in your statement; 'They establish their domination'... they were oppressors.
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