What is the Anti-Christ in Islam

Caringheart wrote: 3:93 All food was lawful unto the Children of Israel, save that which Israel forbade himself, (in days) before the Torah was revealed. Say: Produce the Torah and read it (unto us) if ye are truthful. Isn't this an example of how laws of men encroached on the Law of God?

Um, no.  This is referring to the prophet Jacob (peace be upon him), who had forbidden himself some of the lawful food for a specific reason.  The scholars are unsure if it was because he was ill or because he abstained because he did not like those foods.  However, what is certain is that this food was not prohibited but later on, the Jews wrongly considered them prohibited for themselves as well.  This verse does not say that there are no dietary restrictions in the Law of Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He).  There definitely are, as other verses make clear.

Caringheart wrote: Greetings islamispeace, Sorry you don't understand. Muslims also have the concept of higher jihad... or a higher law to govern over the lower. asalaam, CH

You're the one who doesn't understand.  The "higher jihad" entails fighting one's inclinations to sinful behavior.  Muslims do not forsake the law for the "higher jihad".  It goes hand in hand with it.  The success of the "higher jihad" is incumbent upon obeying Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He) and that means obeying His Laws.

Caringheart wrote: islamispeace wrote: "Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." "So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds." I thought I would address these two things also. You do understand that 'the sword of my mouth' is a reference to God's Word... the scriptures... 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: As to the second; you understand that it is a reference to the consequences of following evil ways (i.e., allegorized as Jezebel) those who are sexually promiscuous suffer the consequences of those actions in the form of sexual diseases... diseases which also cause infertility and miscarriage, not to mention abortion.  People suffer the consequences of immoral actions... ('a bed of suffering', loss of children and child bearing capability)

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them�bring them here and kill them in front of me."

I guess that's also "allegory", eh?

Jesus: "Kill them!" 

Christians: "What, do you mean literally?"

Jesus: "Er, no.  I was just being facetious."

Christians: "So, how should we kill them?"

Jesus: "Er, kill them with kindness.  Yeah, that's it.  Kill them with kindness!"

Caringheart wrote: Actually, I do not seek to find fault with the islamic religion.  Accepting Paul has nothing to do with my view on islam.  In fact I see much of what Paul taught as being very much in line with muslim thinking. I don't need to fault islam to hold to my belief in Yshwe.  In fact if I were ever to reject Yshwe I would still not accept islam as the correct path.  I feel that I can see very clearly how islam was prophesied.  I am rather inclined towards Buddhism.  I think Yshwe taught much as the Buddha taught. asalaam and blessings to you, CH

I've come to this in my mind more than once

The trouble I see with islam
Islam stands on deconstruction
Whereas, Christianity builds on Judaism
islam in order to stand, must deconstruct
therefore it must stand on rubble
Christianity and Judaism stand on a firm foundation... neither tears down its foundation


as regards the dispute over Paul;

Yshwe Himself was one who taught that the laws of man were of no matter...
Yshwe Himself, in the pharisees eyes, broke the law... because He was showing that He, God's Law, is higher than the things which men regarded as God's law.
He 'worked' on the Sabbath, healing men
He and His Disciples ate with 'unwashen hands'
Yshwe was showing that He was higher than the laws of men...
so we have to ask and determine for ourselves, was Yshwe a false prophet?
This is why He so angered the Jewish religious leaders and people...
He behaved as above their laws... the laws they proclaimed as from God Himself... but were they laws of God, or laws of man... given by Moses for the good of men.
Wasn't Yshwe trying to show that while the laws of Moses were important, there was a higher Law meant to govern mens hearts... hearts first.
It wasn't Paul who changed things... Paul taught as Yshwe taught.



Edited by Caringheart - 10 October 2014 at 8:23am