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   A friend and me once wondered what happens if you think about a blackhole and meditate on it, will your thoughts even be pulled into it when you think about one? hehe.

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Community Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 19 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1135	Post Options Post Reply Quote Community Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 November 2005 at 8:56pm
	A friend and me once wondered what happens if you think about a blackhole and meditate on it, will your thoughts even be pulled into it when you think about one? hehe.

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	"The star eventually collapses to the point of zero volume and infinite density, creating what is known as a " singularity ". " Now i think this proves the point of some people thinking in material terms like "infinite density". event horizon The distance from a black hole within which nothing can escape. In addition, nothing can prevent a particle from hitting the singularity in a very short amount of proper time once it has entered the horizon. In this sense, the event horizon is a "point of no return". See Schwarzschild radius. http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l2/black_hole s.html

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	Black holes are the evolutionary endpoints of stars at least 10 to 15 times as massive as the Sun. If a star that massive or larger undergoes a supernova explosion, it may leave behind a fairly massive burned out stellar remnant. With no outward forces to oppose gravitational forces, the remnant will collapse in on itself. The star eventually collapses to the point of zero volume and infinite density, creating what is known as a " singularity ". singularity In astronomy, a term often used to refer to the center of a black hole, where the curvature of spacetime is maximal. At the singularity, the gravitational tides diverge; no solid object can even theoretically survive hitting the singularity. There goes the theory of objects wishing to occupy the space between air and ground and it not being gravity that pulls them. Einstein did not know about blackholes back then i think. Edited by Community

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	Basically gravity is not even something that comes out of a planet or star, but it comes from even beyond those material things.

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	hehehe, yeah what was i thinking, i just misunderstood your words by your saying things like "your body wanting to occupy the space between the ground and air." or "the object naturally tries to occupy the space" But howabout the objects that are not subject to any gravitational influence and remain in 0 gravity? i mean if objects have a natural tendancy to be between the space between air and ground why is there such exceptions as this? And howabout the human being having the possibility to escape gravity? One thing is for sure, all theories come to an end in the reality of a black hole. A planet is gone but there is still a gravity which can become greater that even light can not escape it's gravity. Edited by Community

Israfil Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 08 September 2003 Status: Offline Points: 3984	Post Options Post Reply Quote Israfil Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 November 2005 at 4:57pm
	Well brother I wouldn't argue with Einstein because obviously his theory is proven in regards to objects occupying space. In response to your assertion that if objects wanted to occupy space then "damage would not occur" is not an accurate response. You assume that objects have a "willingness" to occupy space. this is not the case what Einstein was talking about. when we dicuss natural laws in this case , one of the things that come to mind is that objcts objects naturally try to occupy space. This had nothing to do with physical objects such as rocks, being sentient beings choosing to fall t the ground. What einstein mentioned was that objects naurally go in a straight line until something such as an object gets in the way. In the same sense as gravity as which is explained here. the only reason why you may feel the weight upon you let's say a 500lb boulder on your chest is because its on top of you, rather than say its the gravitational force but its really the fact that the weight "wishes to occupy the space beyond your body but your body is what thats blocking it. giving the pain receptors of our body we feel pressure, pain and the like feelings which are the result of the 500lb weight. Coommunity don't argue with a dead physicist! LOL

Community Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 19 May 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1135	Post Options Post Reply Quote Community Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 November 2005 at 1:43am
	So Einstein believed that objects have "a will".... yes this is interesting. Looking at how a stone falls to the ground, or at a body falling down i would say they are submitted to "the law of gravity", rather then say they wish to occupy the space between the ground and the air. Because if it was just about occupying the space between the air and the ground there would be no need for damage to occur when a body or object hits the ground. Also take into account objects floating in space in certain point where they are not pulled by the gravity of surrounding stars or planets. If we read the koran we read that Allah said to the heavens when it was "smoke" and to the earth come willingly(or submissive) or come unwillingly and that they both said we come in willing submissiveness.(Capter explained "in detail",fussilat 41:11) Even with this i can only conclude that objects which come out of the material of the heavens and the earth are submitted to Him and thus His laws such as gravity in this case.

Israfil Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 08 September 2003 Status: Offline Points: 3984	Post Options Post Reply Quote Israfil Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 November 2005 at 11:49pm
	Interesting post, both energy and gravity are two myserious elements that do fuel the mind to ponder. Einstein once said in his writings that space, not so much as gravity is what defines the law. The body naturally wishes to occupy space between land and air. He designed this theory based on space where he said that if a person threw an object in space it would go downward because the object naturally tries to occupy the space or in the case gravity. In a more simplistic way of looking at this if you were to jump off a two story house and and land on your feet it is not gravity that pulled you to the ground but the natural law of your body wanting to occupy the space between the ground and air. Interesting!