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    Posted: 13 March 2018 at 2:41pm
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Quote Yet those who do not believe will say he made the Quran up.
I'd say there are more possibilities. Clearly, the Quran is man made, but I would not suspect Muhammad of having it "freely invented".
I would guess it was more of a religious ecstasy. There have been many cases of this kind in history  like these ones for example. (The case of Saint Francis of Assisi is particularly inspiring)

Joseph Smith (yeah, the Mormons) belongs to the same category:
Mysteriously sounding but substanceless messages (sure, directly from God), the "capturing" and reinterpretation of (a) dominant, widespread religion, an (of course)  "altruistic attitude" towards (many) woman, military action and the absolute will to seize political power, the claim to hold the ultimate truth and the inability to coordinate his own succession.
  
The list of similarities is long and I could produce many more cases of this kind if you'd ask me.


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Tobias, s l o w l y step away from the internet . . .
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Yes,,,   That is the point,,,     Religions are based purely upon faith,,   Once we realise just how corrupt the leaders of this world actually are, And how long they have been operating,, (at least since the time of summaria,). One can see the possibilities that religion has been fabricated by these entities,,    Even the word "Government" translates to mind control..
There is I believe,,, No such thing as god,, But there is our creator,,   There's a difference,, Religions try to impose gods upon us to which we are asked to worship..   I really do not believe that this is how our world was intended,,    We can see from history that religions have only caused war, suffering and oppression that continues stronger than ever today.   
I have studied both Qu-Ran and the christian bible,, They both have the same story as does many other religions,,   Although I see spatterings of truth within the pages,,   For instance, The firmament in genesis,, The symbolic snake in the garden of eden etc.

We have come to a point in history where its time that every living soul in this world should re-evaluate their surroundings with objectivity and realise we should ALL be having a care for each other,, One and all..   Not some mysterious and mythical god with dubious origins,
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To me all religions are an act of faith.
To be a Muslim you are taking Muhammed’s Word that he actually saw an angel and it gave him the words in the Quran.
Yet those who do not believe will say he made the Quran up.
There is no evidence or proof at all to verify that Muhammad was God’s messenger because the only one saying he is is the Quran and himself.
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Originally posted by Tobias Tobias wrote:

OK,,      here's the point,,,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aPNUzxKok0c

Your wasting my time and patience with your petty ways of dealing with a losing debate.

Face it,,,   you have been lied to all of your childish life..
Once you come to terms with that, vou can reboot your undernourished brain.

Its flat,,     deal with it....


If you cnnot explain it then you have no clue about it.

The flight time from London to New York is 8 hours 5 minutes and the flight time for the same aircraft between Sydney to Johannesburg is 14 hours then that will only work on a spherical world.

If you measure the distance on a polar (north) projection it will not work.

If you measure the distance on a normal map then the distances East to West around the equator are compressed compared with the distances further North and South.

To the rest of the Islamic readers here,

Why do you not jump in?

Why do you allow this person to represent your views?



Edited by Tim the plumber - 01 January 2018 at 4:20am
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@Tobias

You haven't replied to my post yet.
And no, I will not watch any video (promised !). If you can't explain it, you haven't understood it.

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OK,,      here's the point,,,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aPNUzxKok0c

Your wasting my time and patience with your petty ways of dealing with a losing debate.

Face it,,,   you have been lied to all of your childish life..
Once you come to terms with that, vou can reboot your undernourished brain.

Its flat,,     deal with it....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tim the plumber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 December 2017 at 9:55am
Originally posted by Tobias Tobias wrote:

Actually..   Looking back on our conversation is making me see that I'm talking to a mindless zombie that can only use the word "Drivel" as some kind of of response to a rational argument...     Its obvious to me that your either a little kid sitting in his underpants in his bedroom passing time away, or you are a government shill..     You have exercised no common sense or real reasoning,,   just your favorite little word,,,, "Drivel"...
Its also becoming obvious that this site does not have the collective IQ of an aardvark that I have seen so far..


Your inability to reply to any of my challenges is obvious.

All you do is jump to the next drivel position.

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