Flat Earth and the Geocentric Universe

schmikbob wrote: Wow, Abu Loren, you are not going done this road for real are you? You are speaking metaphorically of course.

Yeah sure I'd like to go down this road and see where it leads. LOL.

Abu Loren wrote: Verse 51:48 simply means that the earth is spacious and not flat as per your understanding which is wrong.

Every translation I've read says "spread" or "spread out".
 

As for 18:86 it is not literal, I'll let you figure it out.

Why just that particular verse?  Imagine if everything in the Quran was not literal.

You've just proven that you don't understand a word of the Qur'an.

I know the difference between spread out flat and rolled up in a ball.

Ron Webb wrote: Imagine if everything you've been taught in the mosque was wrong or even a deliberate lie."And the earth, We have made it a wide extent; how well have We then spread (it) out." (51:48)"Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea..." (18:86)For a few thousand dollars you can travel around the world and see for yourself that the earth is a sphere, not "spread out" (i.e. flat); and that there is no "black sea" into which the sun sets.

Masha Allah! How precisely Allah talks about people like you in Quran:

Al-E-Imran 3:7 He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.

51:48 refers to the wide area of earth. "spread out" means extending in surface area. There is no mention of any shape here. An area could be spread in any shape - I don't know where you get the idea of "flat".


18:86 refers to a specific incident from the episode of Dhu'l-Qarneyn and to indicate a specific location where he observes the sunset in a dark tempestuous sea - what do you see so peculiar in someone close to the seashore observing the sunset in a dark tempestuous sea?

schmikbob wrote: It leads to believing things that simply make us feel better, like dealing with the fear of death and mortality. As humans we have an inborn fear of death and dying so we have created religion and God to answer those fears.

If we "created" religion and God, then who created us?