QUESTIONS ABOUT ISLAM

Trident wrote: If I married a woman, she becomes my wife. She can be from any background, rich or poor, clever or stupid, cute or ugly, free or slave. But once I marry her, she becomes my wife. The fact that verse 23:6 & 70:30 mentions the "Right hand possessions" separetely from "wife" is because, well, the right hand possessions are not really wives.

Looking at the present day customs and ideas about marriage, and reflecting them over the centuries old customs is a fallacy of many  brothers/sisters. The problem is more compounded when this perception is coming, perhaps from my Christian brothers/sisters, who don't have an idea how Islam looks at the marriage. Marriage, in Islam, is not a something that can't be broken till death. Marriage is simply an agreement between man and women to live togather with mutual respect for each other. If anyone can't live by these promises, for some reason or the other, the agreement can be cancelled. Its not like 'what come may one must stick togather, even if both become totally intollerant of each other. Islam provides a realistic yet rational approach to human behaviors and attitudes. 

Trident wrote: If you still maintain that the "Right hand possessions" are some sort of legally married wives, then the myth that Islam promotes the emancipation of slaves is false. Because if Islam is really serious about freeing the slaves and also elevating their status, then the married slaves should have been mentioned as wives, not "Right hand possessions".

Trident wrote: And Mr. Rami talked about extreme conditions. Of course eating & drinking for the sake of hunger & thirst is understandable & needs no explanation. What needs explaining though is the neccesity of having sex with unmarried captive women. Can you explain how having sex with such women is necessary in extreme conditions? And what are those extreme conditions?

The extremity of the situation, as I have discussed earlier as well, is always analysed with the type of problem we are discussing. Examples of eating pork or wine becomes legal in the extreme conditions of death due either to hunger or medical grounds or many other situations, that may not be fathomable to us at this time of our imagination. Similarly the marriage with captives becomes legal as an exception, in the extreme conditions of commiting an illegal sex (a major sin in Islam), though Quran already recommeded self control as a preferable act. This illegal sex could force people, that I can imagine, is to either become homos (as some brother has already suggested) or move towards prostitutes or to some other extreme uncomprehensible sexuality in nature to me at this time.

Trident wrote: The notion that Islam allows the rape of these captive women must be thoroughly understood by people interested in the study of Islamic subject matters. It doesn't matter that these type of activity only used to be done during Islam's advent. The very fact that it's allowed at all, is disturbing to say the least.

 Yes, I agree with you, but for that one must keep the historical perspective of the society in view in which it used to be practised. Today's society where there are no slaves, comparing it with that system is like comparing oranges with apples. 

Trident wrote: AhmadJoyia wrote: Trident wrote: The notion that Islam allows the rape of these captive women must be thoroughly understood by people interested in the study of Islamic subject matters. It doesn't matter that these type of activity only used to be done during Islam's advent. The very fact that it's allowed at all, is disturbing to say the least. Yes, I agree with you, but for that one must keep the historical perspective of the society in view in which it used to be practised. Today's society where there are no slaves, comparing it with that system is like comparing oranges with apples. Notice here that I didn't mention marriage or sex, but RAPE. And you agreed with me. Never mind that Islam allowed it only in 7th century Arabia. Still, it was allowed some time ago during Islam's history. Yes or no? And who says there's no slavery now? Just look at the situation in Darfur. Explain to us here how the situation in Darfur is not in line with true Islamic practices.

Ah!, my dear bro Trident, if that is the way you want to make your records, concluding from your own stated hypothesis, without proving it, that is purely up to you, though only fools would do that. No doubt you are no different than crafty fellow like St. Paul [2 Corinthians 12:16].

 Hypothesis can't become facts untill proven. Now I do notice the direction in which you are moving, despite my honest and humble efforts to make things clear to you. Indeed, truth stand clear and can't be hidden through decietfull and crafty actions.

What?? Do you think all those posts for explaining contrary to your hypothesis, were just for nothing? Are you sane? Instead of refuting me logically you are using sly tactics on me as "caught". Indeed, I could not find any difference between you and your master. 

When you keep repeating the same baseless allegations "..... that Islam allows the rape of a captive women." despite my convincingly logical explanations against them, I don't think I have to cast any more pearls here. I think the topic is well discussed and well replied untill or unless any new arguments or points are raised. Let everyone on the forum decide for themselves. I don't have to enforce my arguments as truth shall standout clearly all by itself. Peace.