1948 Creation & Catastrophe

Reepicheep wrote: Abuayisha wrote: ...what is taking place today inside Israel? I'm not sure what you are referring to. Things have been fairly quiet in Israel in recent years. Off hand, I can't think of any problems within Israel which are significantly worse than the normal problems other countries of the world have. Israel is certainly calmer than their surrounding neighbours such as Egypt, Lebanon, Gaza, Syria, and the West Bank. Can you be more specific?

Here is a little bedtime reading:

http://www.alternet.org/story/113143/israel%27s_%27crime_against_humanity%27

http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/blog/new-york-jews-challenge-michael-oren-to-halt-bedouin-displacement-at-0

http://www.btselem.org/settler_violence

I wonder how you would react if you had to experience what the Palestinians have been experiencing for more than 60 years.  I am sure the hypocrite in you would be flabbergasted and angry if someone damaged your property and demolished your home.

islamispeace wrote: Caringheart wrote: Ilan Pappe "Intimate and strong friendships with Palestinians and the newly declassified material in the archives produced my new look at the 1948 war." Great post!  Short and pointless!  What's your point?  You tried to excuse the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.  You were refuted and exposed as a shameless hypocrite who talks "love and peace" but who then tries to excuse crimes against humanity when it involves Israel.

Greetings islam...,

You really should look to see what it is that has you so hate filled and see what you might do about it.

The point was...
you posted a link...
I read the link...
I found the link helpful...
I pointed out that things have come to light in the last few years, so the picture is changing...

You decided to display hatred towards me.

Salaam,
Caringheart


Edited by Caringheart - 27 February 2014 at 4:06pm

Caringheart wrote: ...they just need to be held accountable to good high standards.

Yes, very true, which is why many of the fiercest critics of the occupation are the Jewish people themselves. Because they realize when the Israeli army control even the caloric count , starving the people of Gaza, of Palestinian Muslims and Christians, that this injustice smacks of the same treatment Jews suffered in the ghetto of Warsaw. Indeed we join with all people of moral conscious to hold Israel to good high standards.

Edited by abuayisha - 27 February 2014 at 6:25pm

Caringheart wrote: islamispeace wrote: I wonder how you would react if you had to experience what the Palestinians have been experiencing for more than 60 years.  I am sure the hypocrite in you would be flabbergasted and angry if someone damaged your property and demolished your home. Why do some people insist on acting as though no one else has ever been through a war, lost land, homes, and life?  Why have other people decided to recover?  Is there a nation on earth where people have not suffered loss due to war at one time or another? asalaam.

Oh well.  I just asked whether you felt that you were biased about the conflict and I guess we have the answer. 

Instead of acknowledging that the Palestinians have a legitimate grievance against Israel, you try to shamelessly suggest that they should just forgive and forget.  How exactly are the Palestinians supposed "to recover"?  I wonder if you were in their position, woulld you follow your own advice.  Hypocrisy is an ugly thing!

I call on any Christian on this forum who is not blinded by self-righteous hypocrisy to make their voices heard.  I know you are out there.  We have already seen that many Jews have opposed Zionism.  Indeed, Zionism is not synonymous with Judaism.  There are many good Jewish people who have spoken out against the crimes of the Israeli state, just as there are many good Muslims who have spoken out against the violence perpetrated against innocent Jews.