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    Posted: 16 May 2014 at 12:43pm
Originally posted by neil neil wrote:

For years and years, I have heard claims from Islam that the Bible is corrupted.

NOT ONCE have I seen one shred of evidence to persuade me of this claim.

Who can dispel my view that corruption claims are merely Islam's way of trying to prove, conveniently for themselves, that the Quran harmonizes with the Bible when it obviously doesn't.
 
I Can the By-BILL Have many mistake , Can you prove that The Holy Qur'aan doesn't Harmonizes with the Bible ?????
 
After you prove the Qur'aan doesn't harmonizes with the BY-BILL
 
So you will know the meaning of the word your useing . You know how some christian always trying flip the script .
 
Harmonize - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harmonize
Definition of harmonize from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary with audio
pronunciations, thesaurus, Word of the Day, and word games.

No Word games nor Hadiyth's , I know you can use the Qur'aan / Bible to back up your cliam ''Yes ''



Edited by Al Saadiqeen21 - 17 May 2014 at 4:57am
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:





Originally posted by solitair solitair wrote:

If you have read the Qur'an and the Bible, you realize that it is the same story. The main differences are that the Bible stops after Jesus. The Qur'an contains the same story as the Bible, but is has the next chapter as well.  the name of the book is the Holy Qur'an. It has everything,
Greetings solitair,Regarding these two things...The qur'an is not complete.  It includes none of the teachings of Yshwe(known as Jesus).  It claims to respect Yshwe as a prophet yet includes none of His teachings.  It refers to His teachings, the Injeel, saying that they will be found with the people of the Book, but muslims reject this, saying that 'the Book' was corrupted, but if the Book had been corrupted surely God would have had Muhammad correct it in order that the muslims would have the teachings of Yshwe. If you read the qur'an, you see clearly that it is not the same story.  There are similarities, but there are glaring differences.  The qur'an contains some of the Truth, but not all.Salaam and blessings,Caringheart





I Agree with you

Quran disagree with bible in several
Points since it have been corrupted

Quran disagree prophets were alcholic

Bible claim Noah was alcholic

If so, how could he built huge ark

That mean prophets has no ethic

They are drunk, commit adultery, killer

Doesn't that mean they are sinful


All these description contradict with prophecy

Who wrote bible normal people and there speech
Not sacred

No

While quran Creator word

So you prefer to listen to human over prophets
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:





Originally posted by solitair solitair wrote:

If you have read the Qur'an and the Bible, you realize that it is the same story. The main differences are that the Bible stops after Jesus. The Qur'an contains the same story as the Bible, but is has the next chapter as well.  the name of the book is the Holy Qur'an. It has everything,
Greetings solitair,Regarding these two things...The qur'an is not complete.  It includes none of the teachings of Yshwe(known as Jesus).  It claims to respect Yshwe as a prophet yet includes none of His teachings.  It refers to His teachings, the Injeel, saying that they will be found with the people of the Book, but muslims reject this, saying that 'the Book' was corrupted, but if the Book had been corrupted surely God would have had Muhammad correct it in order that the muslims would have the teachings of Yshwe. If you read the qur'an, you see clearly that it is not the same story.  There are similarities, but there are glaring differences.  The qur'an contains some of the Truth, but not all.Salaam and blessings,Caringheart






I provide evidence bible corrupted
In my previous reply

Yehwa is not jesus

Jesus confirmed he is prophet from bible :

Read carefully

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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 13:31-35


• bible

Matthew 21:11 The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet ...



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Sarah, not Hagar was Abraham’s wife. #2 The promise was made to them as a married couple. #3 Isaac was the “only” son of Abraham with Sarah. #4 The covenant which islamispeace does not deny was “only” with Isaac, not Ishmael. #5 It was after Hagar and Ishmael was dismissed from Abraham’s household the promise and or covenant was made, who at that time the “only” son of Abraham and Sarah was Isaac.


They change place they lived doesn't
Ishmael will not be prophet


Bible over and over prove coming prophet
Will be descended from ishmael

Read coming prophet will appear from
Paran with holly book

He said: "The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones, from his right hand went a fiery law for them." (Deuteronomy 33:2)


• ishmael lived in paran

Then God opened her [Hagar's] eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt. (Genesis 21:19-22






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Issac is prophet

We don't deny such fact

By the way, jesus confirm a prophet will come after him and so there will be layer prophets

Issac die before jesus

That mean mentioned prophet is not
Issac

Right or not

Genesis 17 confirm prophet will be decended from ishmael

Genesis 17
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.


Language change from Hebrew to Arabic

Hebrew Abram and arabic will be abraham

Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

. name prophet Muhamad in both
Torah ve bible

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oAO2mCvpZiE



isaiah 21:13 " The burden upon arabia "

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There are many proves.

What does islam mean by corruption

Corruption : corrupting prophet holly book /bible that
Jesus brought

Every religion has holybook brought by
Prophets and not written by normal human

Prove from bible :

One on them is that jesus confirm in bible
That he brought bible

While current bible/gospel written by people
Lived in different time of jesus
So they didn't. See him

Mark 1:15


English Standard Version
and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

• several gospel/foundd found currently
Also prove corruption



• other point : contradiction

Contradiction prove corruption


The mother of Abijah:

2CH 11:20 Maachah the daughter of Absalom

2CH 13:2 Michaiah the daughter of Uriel

What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?

MAT 27:28 scarlet

JOH 19:2 purple


• twisting god speech / corruption holly book
Since holly books are god speech


◄ Jeremiah 23:36 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
But you must not mention 'a message from the LORD' again, because each one's word becomes their own message. So you distort the words of the living God, the LORD Almighty, our God.


• there are many other proves related
To facts:

Facts 1: prophet are models they are
Not sinful people,

Bible don't agree

Insulting prophets:

Claiming prophet David killed his solider
Called urai to sleep with his wife bashiba

Claiming david commit two major sins in on time
Killing and committing adultery


• bible claim God powerless Jacob defeat god:

Consider as Insulting God :


Genesis 32:22-32 - Jacob Wrestles With God - That night - Bible ...



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Originally posted by solitair solitair wrote:

Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:



Peace unto you!

bro. I fully understand what Christians' believe are and I am convinced they (1.6 billion) were miss lead so what I am doing here is to establish the truth.

Now let me inform you of what you are not aware of.



I am speechless - this is incredible - thank you so much for all this !!


Peace unto you!

You are welcome bro!

That is just a tip of the ICEBERG! You can read a follow up on this thread: JESUS (S) PREACHED THE COMING OF THE QUR'AN (ISLAM)

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http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27365


WHAT IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND HOW IT WILL COME?

His disciples thought that the kingdom of God will come down from Heaven and appear suddenly, it mentioned in Luke 19 11:

And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. (Luke 19:11)

In Luke 17:20 he told the Pharisees the kingdom of God does not come with Observation:

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20)

 

Then he told his disciples how it would come in Matthew6: 31-32:

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 6:31-32)

The “grain of mustard seed” is a message; and the “man” is the one who will delivered that message; it mentioned in Revelation 12 and 14; and the coming of that message is the coming of God’s Kingdom on earth. In the book of Revelation Chapter12 it mentioned the coming of a “man child” who would have rule all nations with a rod of iron and at his arrival “then” Salvation and the Kingdom of God will come, God’s Law (his will) shall establish on earth Meaning, the message will be a universal one. Revelation 14 conforms that …. And in Luke 21 he told them to look for the sign for it coming, it was yet to come.

“And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God… (Rev.12:5-10.)”

      That would be after the demise of Jesus (S)

 

Revelation 14:6-7 it mentioned:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.” (Rev.14:6-7)

That is the future tense! The book of Revelation Ch. 14: 6-7 which is a part of the Collection of books (The Bible), which is already here; it’s mentioned of an “angel coming from heaven” with the everlasting gospel for all nations. The same Greek word “Euaggelizo” which translates as Gospel which is the Good News, it mentioned also in revelation 14. The NWT got correct translation:

6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God and give him glory, because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived, and so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” (Rev.14: 6-7 NWT)

Note: This everlasting good news was coming from Heaving, an angel was bringing it from Heaven, and it was describe as a “Judgment” to “preach” to all nations. That Judgment was the criterion between rights and wrong, that Judgment there is the Law (His will) to preach unto them that dwell on earth (all nations). What Jesus (S) said? He said: Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be don on earth!”

The Judgment mentioned there was the law it is in Isaiah 42 and John 16:8 it mentioned:

 “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah.42:1-4)

“And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.” (John.16:8)

It says: “till he has set judgment in the earth and the isles shall wait for His LAW”. As we can see the everlasting Good News for all nations is the Judgment to the Gentiles, which is God’s everlasting law on earth.

Allah (S) has described the Qur’an as the “Criterion of judgment between right and wrong”, in fact he name Sura 25 (Chapter 25) Al-Furcon (The Criterion) and this is what he said in verse 1:

Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.” (Q.25:1) A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)

What revelation says? It says: 6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people…because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived....” (Rev.14: 6-7 NWT)

Allah (S) says: “Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic” (Q.13:37)

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Qur’an 2:185)

…it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104)

Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102)“This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.” (Qur.10:37)

Allah (S) says: Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Q.26:196) And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92)

       There is no doubt about it, when we go and look into the revelation of former people it is there in Revelation 14:6-7. Look we have more conformation. It mentioned in the Qur’an:

  1. …so fear Allah and obey me. (Q.3:50); ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Q.3:102)
  2. And glorify Him morning and evening. (Q.33:42)
  3. Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Q.13:37)

What Revelation 14-7 says? 

It says: Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!”

Allah (S) said: A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)


Solitair, those information were developed during discussion over a period of 15 yrs. Here is the full document (word doc.), the numbering is not in order because I keep updating it. I have more updates to include which I did on Face Book but I will discuss it here first, Inshallah (God willing).

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 Download this!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/79252919/2My%20book.docx

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Originally posted by truthnowcome truthnowcome wrote:



Peace unto you!

bro. I fully understand what Christians' believe are and I am convinced they (1.6 billion) were miss lead so what I am doing here is to establish the truth.

Now let me inform you of what you are not aware of.



I am speechless - this is incredible - thank you so much for all this !!
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