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Al Saadiqeen21
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Posted: 04 March 2014 at 8:21am |
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Overstand something if you can , And I mean no disrespect ok . In order for one to overstand Any Scriptures One must read the Verse before and after the Verse they're speaking of . To give a true overstanding of that verse . Writeing long Hadiyth's plural for Haadith 's doesn make that one from Turth / Facts . Also if you took the time and read the verse I post you would have know I was on point . Thats if your speaking of the verse I posted .
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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .
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Abu Ahmad
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Qur�an 9:111
Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah , so they kill and are killed. A true promise binding upon Him in the Torah and THE INJEELand the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.� Qur'an 9:111
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Al Saadiqeen21
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The Holy Qur'aan 9 ; 110 - 115 , Revealed In The Year 631 A.D. Al Tawbah ( The Acceptance Of Repentance ) , Where It States , And I Quote ; The Covenant Of The Source Is Found In His Scriptures - The Faithful Mortal Keeps The Laws Themselves .
Care to try again , Because you miss the whole point of the Verse .
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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .
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Abu Ahmad
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I forgot to mention in an earlier post that Jesus was charged with Sedition /rebellion hence the legal punishment of crucifixion.
If it had been blasphemy (claiming divinity) he would have been legally stoned to death as per the punishment of "Stephen" in Acts. To 'Just Me'. The coin story shows Jesus was referring to a bit of copper metal with Caesar's face engraved. The Romans were demanding 50% or more tribute from the dirt poor peasants. They didn't have any copper coins with Caesar's head on 'em. Hence a witty remark to innocently advocate rebellion. 'Innocent jesus', come on. Pilate was sacked & recalled to Rome for being the most kill 'em all governor in the Empire. Remember these gospels are written after the fall of Jerusalem & Masada. And written in Greek in Greece & Rome for a Romanized audience. It's not wise to blame Rome if you want to convert them to christianity. Edited by Abu Ahmad - 01 March 2014 at 8:43pm |
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Just_Me
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Matthew 22:18:21 But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, �Why put me to the test, you hypocrites? Show me the coin for the tax.� And they brought him a denarius. And Jesus said to them, �Whose likeness and inscription is this?�. They said, �Caesar's.� Then he said to them, �Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. Luke 23:1-2 Then the whole company of them arose and brought him before Pilate. And they began to accuse him, saying, �We found this man misleading our nation and forbidding us to give tribute to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ, a king.� And Pilate asked him, �Are you the King of the Jews?� And he answered him, �You have said so.� Then Pilate said to the chief priests and the crowds, �I find no guilt in this man.� Edited by Just_Me - 27 February 2014 at 12:52pm |
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Just_Me
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I find this interesting.
Edited by Just_Me - 27 February 2014 at 12:53pm |
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Abu Ahmad
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History testifies to prolonged guerrilla war by religious extremists against Roman occupation. The jewish "MESSIAH" is a Jihadi warrior, Religious imam & Leader of the people. Not a peace-nik hippie. The real Jesus was raised alive to return to Earth soon to finish his mission. To establish the Kingdom of God over the earth - The Worldwide Caliphate.
Luke 4:9-11 The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. �If you are the Son of God,� he said, �throw yourself down from here. For it is written:
Rebellion against Rome - Jesus rode into Jerusalem & the people greeted Jesus with strewn palms and cries of "Hosanna!" the ancient cry of Jewish independence.
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honeto
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Spiritlead,
whatever you are discussing with Sandshoes is sperate from what I have to say: 1-True that the Quran was revealed 600 hundred years after Jesus (pbuh). It is also the truth that we have the Quran in it's original language, while not the Gospel. It is also true that we have more than a thousand year old copies of the Quran with us today that are identical to the one we have today, not so in the case of Gospel or Gospels. 2-In light of the above facts, if I were you of course I will go with the more reliable source. 3-As a Muslim I need not anyone else to testify that Jesus was indeed the Messiah. The Quran's testimony is enough for a believer like myself. 4-You take prophet David's Psalms, in which he is talking about himself and his faith as prophecy for Jesus, where it suits you and overlook where it does not. Pick and choose as you please is not the way God teaches us: For example you used Psalms 16:10 "would rise from the dead" as a prophecy for Jesus rising from the dead. See when you repeat what you hear from someone else and make it as your belief without verifying things you get in trouble, beside being dishonest to yourself. First of all, it was something David is describing about himself. Second, Psalms were taken from the OT which is a Jewish book. In order to see what it really said, before being modified, I went to the Jewish source, Chabad.org. And here is what I read: Psalms 16:1" 1. A michtam of David; O God, guard me for I have taken refuge in You." Now you as a Christian believe Jesus to be God/part of/son of God. This truly goes against that. Here is the verse 2 " You should say to the Lord, "You are my Master; my good is not incumbent upon You." completely against your belief that Jesus is God. How this can be a prophecy about Jesus, are you contradicting yourself or your belief? Let us move on and this one shows how transformation takes place, how meanings and words are changed to fit someone's agenda. You wrote Psalms 16:10's meanings as:"Would rise from the dead!!" while here is the present day original Jewish Psalms says:10. "For You shall not forsake my soul to the grave; You shall not allow Your pious one to see the pit. " and :11 "You shall let me know the way of life, the fullness of joys in Your presence. There is pleasantness in Your right hand forever." Can you say "alterations". Here is what you wrote for Psalms 110:1 "Would sit down at the right hand of God". I cannot believe how the original differ, and it is a living prove of alteration made by those who only mislead themselves. Here it is: Psalms 110:1 " Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet." Enough to prove my point. Hasan Edited by honeto - 16 December 2013 at 3:39pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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