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Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

At tg12345 even islam also taught to love enemies in Surah Al Fusilat ch 41 v 34.

True, that is a good teaching. If I am not mistaken though, the Quran does allow enemies to be killed, right? Not civilians, but armed enemies who are harming Muslims. While in the Old Testament, killing and even genocide of enemies was allowed, according to the New Testament, we are not allowed to harm anyone, even if they are harming us.
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I am against the "violent Islamists aren't Muslims" argument. It's like saying the Nazis weren't human. They were.

Violent Islamists act in the name of Islam. They are Muslims, although very bad ones, interpreting the Quran and Hadith in a very one-sided way. They think Islam is under attack by the West and they have to fight a holy war against the West and killing inifidels (in their view) is justified.

The people in Rome who burned Giordano Bruno were Christians, although very bad ones.

I think it's better to talk about good and bad Muslims and about good and bad Christians.



Edited by Matt Browne - 18 October 2013 at 5:34am
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Allah says in ch 25 v 52 that strive against the unbelievers with the help of Quran,means to defeat falsehood we have to take help of Quran which is the book of truth.
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It saddens me to see how media represents Muslims as terrorist all over the news. And now even in the movies they are ruining the image of muslims

People it is nothing but a st**id stereotype. We are a religion of peace and loving every human on this planet earth is the core of Islam.
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Islam is a religion of peace if interpreted in a modern way. But it can be interpreted quite differently to justify violence. Islamism is a form of religious fascism that has no place in the modern world. We need an Islamism-free Muslim world.
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Originally posted by Matt Browne Matt Browne wrote:

Islam is a religion of peace if interpreted in a modern way. But it can be interpreted quite differently to justify violence. Islamism is a form of religious fascism that has no place in the modern world. We need an Islamism-free Muslim world.


In other words, Islam is in need of a "reformation".
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Originally posted by Trinity Trinity wrote:


Originally posted by Matt Browne Matt Browne wrote:

Islam is a religion of peace if interpreted in a modern way. But it can be interpreted quite differently to justify violence. Islamism is a form of religious fascism that has no place in the modern world. We need an Islamism-free Muslim world.

In other words, Islam is in need of a "reformation".


I see it different, Islam is complete and pure. It is the person that needs reform.
You see there are terms invented to describe different types of Muslims: Moderate Muslim, fundamentalist Muslim, extremist Muslim, modest Muslim and so on. These terms are invented terms to serve political interests, just like in the days of the Old West when a good Indian emant a dead Indian.
Our Creator, God Almighty describes a person who follows His commands fully as a Muslim. If any follow their own desires is not a Muslim.
Anyone, who follow the command to it's fullest will be a source of peace and security for himself and for others.
"By time,Indeed, mankind is in loss,Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience." Al Quran 103:1-3
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Edited by honeto - 16 December 2013 at 1:22pm
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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At trinity islam doesn't need reformation because Quran is the last revelation of Allah and is the solution to humanity, Allah says forbids innovation in islam in ch 5 v 3.
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