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Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

Allah created the world that's y obviously he will say how we have to live life and he is the best judge of all our affairs as mentioned in ch 3 v 173.

Allah created the world, but did not write the Quran. The Quran's author made a mistake about the buildings at Al Hijr, and about the salty and fresh water being separated by a "forbidden parition" that allegedly exists between them. He also said Muhammad was a prophet, who made even more mistakes in his teaching.

Muhammad was a sincere man who meant well, but not a prophet of God. The author of the Quran is not God. God does not make mistakes.
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Originally posted by TG12345 TG12345 wrote:


Allah created the world, but did not write the Quran. The Quran's author made a mistake about the buildings at Al Hijr, and about the salty and fresh water being separated by a "forbidden parition" that allegedly exists between them. He also said Muhammad was a prophet, who made even more mistakes in his teaching.

Muhammad was a sincere man who meant well, but not a prophet of God. The author of the Quran is not God. God does not make mistakes.
 
 
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And those who disbelieve say, "This [Qur'an] is not except a falsehood he invented, and another people assisted him in it." But they have committed an injustice and a lie.
And they say, "Legends of the former peoples which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon."
Say, [O Muhammad], "It has been revealed by He who knows [every] secret within the heavens and the earth. Indeed, He is ever Forgiving and Merciful."
And they say, "What is this messenger that eats food and walks in the markets? Why was there not sent down to him an angel so he would be with him a warner?
Or [why is not] a treasure presented to him [from heaven], or does he [not] have a garden from which he eats?" And the wrongdoers say, "You follow not but a man affected by magic."
Look how they strike for you comparisons; but they have strayed, so they cannot [find] a way.
25:4-9
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At tg12345 Assalamalecum u accepted that Quran is written by unwordly being, think will satan say to b good to ur parents As Allah said in ch 17 v 23-24, if u say its a jinn who wrote y wud someone will himself mention his name because Allah says in ch 51 v 56-Allah created human beings and jinn only to worship Allah, u urself accepted Allah is the author of Quran.
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And the devils have not brought the revelation down.
It is not allowable for them, nor would they be able.
Indeed they, from [its] hearing, are removed.
So do not invoke with Allah another deity and [thus] be among the punished.
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TG12345,

Watch this video about Prophet Salih (Alayhi Salaam).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHtxCfDNUSs&list=PL9821CA747E7E0674
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Originally posted by TG12345 TG12345 wrote:


Allah created the world, but did not write the Quran. The Quran's author made a mistake about the buildings at Al Hijr, and about the salty and fresh water being separated by a "forbidden parition" that allegedly exists between them. He also said Muhammad was a prophet, who made even more mistakes in his teaching.

Muhammad was a sincere man who meant well, but not a prophet of God. The author of the Quran is not God. God does not make mistakes.
 
 
Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

Sahih International
And those who disbelieve say, "This [Qur'an] is not except a falsehood he invented, and another people assisted him in it." But they have committed an injustice and a lie.
And they say, "Legends of the former peoples which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon."
Say, [O Muhammad], "It has been revealed by He who knows [every] secret within the heavens and the earth. Indeed, He is ever Forgiving and Merciful."
And they say, "What is this messenger that eats food and walks in the markets? Why was there not sent down to him an angel so he would be with him a warner?
Or [why is not] a treasure presented to him [from heaven], or does he [not] have a garden from which he eats?" And the wrongdoers say, "You follow not but a man affected by magic."
Look how they strike for you comparisons; but they have strayed, so they cannot [find] a way.
25:4-9


John 8:31-32

31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, �If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.�


PS I never claimed that Muhammad invented the Quran, or that he had help from people in writing it.


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Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

At tg12345 Assalamalecum u accepted that Quran is written by unwordly being, think will satan say to b good to ur parents As Allah said in ch 17 v 23-24, if u say its a jinn who wrote y wud someone will himself mention his name because Allah says in ch 51 v 56-Allah created human beings and jinn only to worship Allah, u urself accepted Allah is the author of Quran.

Walaikum salaam, NABA.

Satan or spirits working for him can very well tell people to do good things. The Mormon religion for example teaches that we are to share our belongings with the poor. That is a good teaching. Does this mean it came from God?

A jinn could very well write a book that tells people to worship God, but falsely portrays Him. The Mormon religion tells people to worship God, but at the same time it teaches that He has a wife. Do you believe God started it?

I accept that the Quran was probably not written by Muhammad or other people. I do not accept, or ever will, that its author is God.


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Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

TG12345,

Watch this video about Prophet Salih (Alayhi Salaam).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHtxCfDNUSs&list=PL9821CA747E7E0674

Thanks, I will watch it and get back to you.
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