Hareems vs. dating?

Naba you say - Allah describes the mental state of disbeliever to the layers of waves within one another and which gets darker and darker as we progress more deep into the sea, this fact was described by scientists few years back

Again you are relying on science in your argument� proving that science is as important or superior to the Quran.

How are these silly statements from the Koran to be explained scientifically?

Sura 27:18-19 records that King Solomon overheard a conversation between ants. This is scientifically impossible as ants use smell, not sound, to communicate and the context of the story indicates that this is not a miracle of Allah.

Sura 18:85-86 reveals that the Sun sets in a muddy pool.

These �scientific verses� from the Quran are silly and ridiculous! You have not answered this. How are these ridiculous statements from the Koran to be explained scientifically?

Do you believe the sun sets in a muddy pond? Also ants communicate by smell � not talking !

Naba, I am not the one trying to use science to prove the Bible or Quran. You are. So this is your problem.

Regarding the ch 18 v 85-86 I disagree. If you look at the verse of the sun setting in to a muddy pond it does not say (as if).  It reads as it reads. No as ifs.

when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of Hami'ah.

Communication between ants is through chemical signals, some yes, there are a few types of ant which do use some sound to communication. But of what kind of sound and how  complex is it?

The use of vibration signals is weakly developed in ants in comparison with communication by pheromones.

Stridulation in ants produces a monotonous series of chirps with limited meaning.

The signaling pattern is independent of the triggering stimulus. That is, the ants do not modify the drumming to identify the category of danger to the nest.

Stidulation is  simple unitary signals. In other words, ants do not "talk"

Do you really believe ants think like this about humans?

I have never seen ants run away when I put my foot over them. If they knew they would be crushed if they don't go away quickly why don't they move?

This is more like a fairy tale than science (e.g. an ant being able to distinguish between Solomon and a soldier).

If you say science is nil in front of Qur'an then you need to stop trying to use science to prove the Quran is a miracle.

I think you like many other Muslims are trying to use science to show that the Quran is some how a miracle.

Translations by  Malik, Pickthall and  Yusaf Ali all say -

when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of Hami'ah.

No �as if� !

Do you speak Arabic. It seems strange that a �miracle book� has to be read and understood only in one language.

So what is the miracle here? That Solomon can understand animals or that ants can talk?

You say the miracle was Solomon understanding animals. I am saying ants do not talk.

Stridulation is nothing but a mechanical act.

The fact remains � even if Solomon could understand animals - ants do not talk. They do not say �O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Sulayman and his armies should crush you, while they perceive not.

Sura 27:18-19

This is just ridiculous and an example of how the writer of the Quran did not understand the facts of science.

Also it is not mentioned in the Torah or Injil that Solomon could understand animals and the Torah and Injil are much older than the Quran. So why should I believe the Quran?

You talk about ch 3 v 7. How convenient. So if you cannot explain something you just quote ch 3 v 7.

So is the Quran the literal reliable word of God then?