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    Posted: 22 December 2006 at 1:19am
And you said that Christianityy teaches humbleness. Please what humbleness are u talking about when you dance and sing in church and dont even take your shoes off? Didnt God tell Moses in the bible to take his shoes off? Yes he did. These arent humble hearts. look at the Muslims when he goes to prayer and look at the christian. We wash and wear the nicest outfits etc, you sprinkle some cologne on and go and dance. No humbleness in that. Some Muslims cry in there prayers, some Christians get jiggy with it.
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Originally posted by YOUNG JEEZY YOUNG JEEZY wrote:

You guys remember that conflict in Bosnia and Hertzgovenia(Sorry for the typo)?

Well today I was in my car with my pops and he was saying sh*t like yo..those people in Europe are messed up the Moslim ones...during that war the Muslim people raped children, girls....and just had intercourse with them because according to Allah "a raped, or a women who had previously had sex without marriage isn't worthy" and some other sh*t like...i dont even remeber clearly and I dont want to say something wrong...

Most posters have given good replies for this but I have something else to say.

The style of this typing (coloured) will never convince anyone to change their views. By right I should not let anyone knows, but hey, for the sake of worthy readings and having a worthy opponents is better than a stupid assistant.
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hahaha
"the mooslims! they're heeere!"
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Originally posted by Begbie Begbie wrote:

Originally posted by firewall firewall wrote:

honestly, i'm sad how one cannot see i posted Quran, 4:59 & 24:51clearly  these Quran verses revealed that Allah supported Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), that the Prophet enacted Allah's Laws.


I asked, very explicitly, what the punishment for zina is as stated in the quran. It is not stoning.
Francis Begbie.

Why didn't you just read it yourself in the first place and find out for yourself? Too lazy?
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Well brother, I am not qualified in this matter to suggest any comments here, but merely asking to understand as what is the basics of understanding Isalm through such critical examination.
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So AhmadJoyia, by your personal understanding, the punishment for zina is 100 lashes? Regardless of marrital status? (i.e. for this particular law, you reject the hadith?)
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bismillahi rahmani raheem,

ok. if that's what ur answering to Allah, who am i to say. i know begbie will not understand this, even if i say it's in the Torah he doesn't understand the link between Torah, Quran & Hadeeths. so what he thinks is limited by his understanding.

i thank AhmadJoyia, for his efforts. but i'm sorry, if i use this rule, i'd have to question many islamic rituals also, which are also not specifically stated in the Quran but is in the Prophet's sunnah. i.e. the Quran tells to pray*. but somehow, menstruating women do not have to pray*. if i use the contradictory rule, this does "seem" contradictory. but when we think deeper, taking into account both Quran & sunnah, it is not at all the case. thus creatively, there must be another rule of thinking to understand Islamic laws, which will judge: we all must pray*, but for menstruating women, she's not enjoined to until her period ends. this is the set of thingking i believe, which doesn't deny both the Quran & sunnah.

still to be safe, i refer this to Allah, maybe its a blessing -- & thank AhmadJoyia anyway. still, we all seek guidance from Allah. wallahu a'lam.


* 5 daily, obligatory prayers. but women can still du'a etc.

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Thanks sis firewall for your reply. However, I couldn't understand your reply to answer my question especially once you say "clearly  these Quran verses revealed that Allah supported Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), that the Prophet enacted Allah's Laws." As we know that Allah's law is in Quran and its enaction is through Sunnah and not the other way around. So in such a mismatch situation, do you think  would it be justified to rely on such a hadith which may seem contradictory to Quran? How reliable the collection of hadith may be, but the basic rule of understanding of such human work must be understood within the context of Quran only. Secondly, the hadith are the "snap shots" of the events in Islamic history. They don't have all the associated supporting literature, other than from within the narrated hadith, that would show as when, where and in what conditons such a narration could have possibly been done. Hence, on this very limitation, all the scholars are very cautious about quoting ahadith without learning them through proper education from a reputed scholar. It is in this situation, that I would always refrain quoting from ahadith directly. In this very notion, do we know if the narration of event in this hadith is before or after the revelation of verses in Quran?

Thanks anyway for your efforts.



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