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honeto
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Posted: 29 April 2013 at 3:29pm |
Welcome truth seeker, I hope you find the truth you seek. What you wrote is not new. I heard this kind of stories before, sometimes pretty pretty similar to what you wrote. God works through miracles among all the people, even among the fire worshipers. That is because we all have an appointed time and opportunity in this life and God provided opportunity to all. Once we take our last breath, accountability starts and the real fruit of what we say, believe and do start to appear and will stay with us forever. The bad thing is that once we leave this life, we cannot come back in it, to fix if we did wrong. The good thing is that those of us who truly believed in God and followed the logic and truth by using God given capabilities, instructions from HIm and firmly believed that God has power of over ALL, Forgiving, God is Just and that God will carry out Justice to the tinniest detail. I am surprised that you, instead of first understanding God, jump on the issue that distracts it, the wife beating issue as a point to discount our belief. You will understand it only after your belief about who God is becomes clear, pure and true. Only then you can build anything else, like faith. If you do not know who God is how can you build a true relationship and faith? So I will say to learn first and understood who God is? What accountability means? What is God's Justice?, Why are we here? Sometimes people praying to idols and false gods get their requests fulfilled, so do those who do not believe in God at all. That does not prove anything. And by the way a few years back someone approached me and said the same that you wrote, he even went further to say that God talks to him and had conversations with him (his breath was smelling like he had been drinking). I posed him a question and asked him to bring me an answer when he have his next conversation with "God". The guy never appeared again. Only God knows the unknown. I am a Muslim and this post shows my belief to your questions and comments. May God guide those of us who seek Him in truth. One more thing I would say before leaving is that a true believer, one who truly submits him/herself to God is not afraid to express His intentions to others which God already knows. In other words he/she do not intend a thing which is not inline with God's teachings i.e. saying something else while intending something different for the purpose of misguiding or deceiving others. As Muslims and Christians we share a lot of similar goals in life, and I can tell you that I have good Christians as friends, we share goodness each have to offer, we impress each other with what good teachings our beliefs teach us. But if you are going to tell me that God is a Trinity, or God has a Son, or that Jesus is God, you will find me passionately polite, rock solid firm and clear as a crystal that those may be your beliefs but they have no truth in them and for a Muslim they are BLASPHEMOUS to God and contrary to the belief in Oneness of God. Not even an iota of such blasphemy will God forgive according to the Quran, and Oneness of God was always what God taught through all of His prophets, including Noah, Moses, David, and Jesus (God's peace be upon them all). Hasan Edited by honeto - 29 April 2013 at 3:39pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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truthnowcome
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I guess you only learn what you were told about your God and from what you are portraying is that your God is a loving God. Lets look at the more LOVING AND TENDER side of you God.
In revelation 19 Christians claims that is the coming of the Messiah to the church when it would be well prepared or established so let us take a look at it.
It mentioned: Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife (the church) hath made herself ready. (Rev. 19:7) And to her (the church) was granted that she (the church) should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint. (Rev. 19:8) That is to say Jesus (S) coming to the church and in 11-12 it says: �And I saw heaven open, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true. And in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.� (Rev.19:11-12) He would be called faithful and true and he would judge and make war in righteousness. Is there any such thing as righteous war? What happen to the love? And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (Rev.19:14) The armies which is in Heaven that upon white horses are those who were chosen, and the white horses are the bird that flies in midst of heaven; they together with the bird were call unto the marriage of the supper: And he said unto me, Write, Bless are THEY which are called unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb. And he said unto me, These are the true saying of God. (Rev19:9) And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the FOWLS that flies in the midst of heaven come and gather yourself together unto the SUPPER of the Great God; that you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. (Rev.1917-18) We have the
saint and the fowls that fly in midst (Air) of heaven, they are called unto the
marriage SUPPER to eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the
flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and them that sit on them, and
the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. Which fowls or bird that flies in midst (Air)
heaven can eat those people, feather bird or iron bird? ARE THEY (JESUS AND HIS
SAINTS) REALLY GOING TO EAT THOSE PEOPLE OR KILL THEM, IT THAT LOVE OR MURDER? Please tell me more about that kind of love of your God. BR. ZAINOOL Edited by truthnowcome - 29 April 2013 at 3:01am |
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truthnowcome
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Peace my friend FutureAndHope, First you are most welcome here.
Now, let me just inform you that most people claimed to be Christian and come to this form for information and dialogue the are really not Christian; a true Christian do not attack Islam...to add, most of the time the start off the same way you are doing and I hope you are not one of them. To say you know the Quran say man can hit his wife is and indication you are here to compare the Quran with the message of other scriptures, if this is the case let us know so we can reply appropriate. Islam did teaches that but I think you look it up for your self how the Prophet (S) prescribe it to be done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cYbCgRJgs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y674CzB_uAo peace. Br. zainool Edited by truthnowcome - 29 April 2013 at 12:52am |
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NABA
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Sure Allah loves us because Allah has given human beings the free will to obey or disobey his commands.especially to his believers Allah through tests always teach them to do well in life.for eg If someone is very proud Allah teaches him by making him face a failure,in this way that individual will become more pious and come closer to Allah which will help him in entering paradise.in Surah Al Faatir ch 35 v 9-Allah is above all the needs it is for our betterment that we should prostrate in front of him so that we can recieve guidance and prosper.
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FutureAndAHope
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Hi I am going to jump right in with something controversial, and I hope it does not stop conversation. I mentioned in my introduction that I once asked for God's help to prevent a man from hitting his girl friend. This man became a Christian, and Christians teach that a man should not hit his partner, but rather show love and service to them.
I am aware that the Quran teaches that a man can hit his wife, that if a wife is disobedient he may physically discipline her. As I have said previously I see sin as anything that harms another person. Hitting a person causes harm. If I have a disagreement with my wife, I try not to be angry, and just discuss my point of view. What is your view of physical discipline of a wife. |
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Caringheart
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If I may jump in as a non-muslim. For me sin is anything that harms us... both individually and as a whole unit.
The definition of sin to me is anything that separates us from God and His blessings... His perfect plan and design. I believe God gives us His Word to protect us from doing harm to ourselves... individually, and as a whole. Like a loving Father He seeks to protect His children. Edited by Caringheart - 26 April 2013 at 10:40am |
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Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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docbro
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Question:
I was wondering if Muslims feel like Allah loves them? Christianity is based on love - the love of God for His people and the love of Christ, who died for all, and the reciprocated love of Christians for their God. Is there any concept of such love in Islam? If so, can you explain it to me? And if not, what is Islam based on? http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/query.aspx?id=882 The Credibility of Christian Lovehttp://www.onislam.net/english/ask-about-islam/society-and-family/interfaith-issues/166127-the-credibility-of-christian-love.html |
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NABA
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In Qur'an it is clearly mentioned Allah is merciful and forgiving,as we know Allah is the creator of everything on this world,its our duty to obey him and b grateful to him.whatever we do against the saying of Qur'an its a sin,eg consuming pork and alcohol is forbidden mentioned in Surah Al Maidah ch 5 v 90,if we go against it,it is a sin,then if U quarrel with ur parents it is a sin mentioned in surah Al isra ch 17 v 23-24,if we don't offer prayers five times a day it is a sin means we r going against Allah's commandment of Surah Al Tahaa ch 20 v 130.in Islam besides being a good human being one should also thank Allah and ask for forgiveness all the time in that way a person can b said to b free from sins. |
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